Tents And Timber-The East Coast Trip!

Tune in for an amazing chat about a 32 day trip through rugged and rainy Newfoundland!!
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Originally recorded on November 12, 2023

Transcript

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Hello and good day. Welcome to the Super Good Camping podcast. My name is Pamela.

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I'm Tim.

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And we are from supergoodcamping.com.

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We are here because we're on a mission to inspire other families to enjoy camping adventures

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such as we have with our kids.

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We'd like to welcome back a wonderful couple from right here in Southern Ontario.

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They originally joined us last year to chat about their epic trip to hike the West Coast Trail.

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Today, they're going to share some of their highlights from their recent trip to the other side of the country.

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Please welcome back, Alex and Jess, otherwise known as Tents and Timber or Tents and Timber or I actually

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Thanks for having us.

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Hey, guys.

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Thanks for coming back in Yacking again. Glad.

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I couldn't, I I briefly looked at how long ago.

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It was like we published it last last sorry. A year ago, June.

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Like, I I wouldn't have thought it was that long ago.

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And 2022 is what you're saying.

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2022. Yes. And and who knows how long before that we actually recorded it.

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So it's nice to see you guys again. Guys.

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Absolutely. Yeah. YouTube been busy.

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We've seen, lots of podcasts out from you.

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I think you just had your 100th episode or something.

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We just did. Yep. Yeah.

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Wonderful. Big birthday.

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That's that's weird. It's stunning to take that to be to having done it that long.

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It would be like it.

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A 100 episodes.

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Yep. So you guys went east this year.

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We did.

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Where did you go? How long was it?

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Tell us all the things.

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We actually went for 32 days in total.

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Oh, my goodness.

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Yeah. So we feel pretty fortunate that we were able to have that luxury to take that much time

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off of our full time jobs.

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But yeah, we just, we really wanted to go east.

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We haven't we went when we were kids.

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Yeah.

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But we never went as far as Newfoundland.

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So the original goal was kind of maybe spend a week in PEI, a week in Nova Scotia, a week in

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New Brunswick, and maybe a week in, Newfoundland.

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But once we started looking at the maps and everything, we're just like and then all the things

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that we wanted to do, we were just like, no.

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We're just going to Newfoundland.

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There's way too many things to see and do in Newfoundland.

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So we spent, you know, the bulk of our time over 3 weeks just in Newfoundland alone. So

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Yeah. That's my big bucket list item is to go to Newfoundland.

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That's high list of things I'd like to do. So inspire me. Tell me more.

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Well, it was lovely. We could have easily done 3 more weeks.

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Oh, 100%.

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No problem at all. We mainly focused on hiking and doing crazy excursions.

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We didn't spend a lot of time in the small towns.

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So definitely the next time that we go, we'll probably shift our priorities and hit some of the smaller towns.

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Yeah. We figured, while we're young and our legs and everything are still able, let's do as

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much hiking and adventurous things as we absolutely can.

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And then, you know, maybe a little bit later, we had some friends and actually my parents this

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year, did, like flew into Newfoundland and did some bus trips and stuff, with, like, big tourist groups.

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So we figured, you know, way down the road, that's gonna be our thing, and then we can see those

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small towns and all that stuff.

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But this time, we did as much like backcountry esque things as as we could.

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So that was really cool. So, yeah, we

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go hiking.

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Where did we go hiking?

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Pretty much everywhere. So the we drove out there.

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So we took 2 days.

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Yep.

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Almost 3 days just to get to Newfoundland.

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The ferry is, a 7 hour ferry just in itself to get there. Yeah.

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So we started in Southwestern Ontario, drove all the way to the Far East of Nova Scotia, and

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then hopped on our 7 hour ferry to get to our final destination.

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And then from

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Did you have a nap on the ferry?

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Oh, yeah. We, We did.

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We took a few grab all to help us sleep, just because we weren't really sure.

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We'd heard some, like, horror stories on, like, how rocky that boat could be. You're crossing the ocean.

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Yep.

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Luckily, we had, like, super smooth, it was it was rainy.

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We couldn't it was foggy, so we couldn't really see much.

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You know, there were stories of people seeing whales and, you know, animals and stuff as you're

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sailing across, but we couldn't really see much.

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So we just slept, the entire way across.

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We did a day ferry on the way there.

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And then on the way back to try something different, we took the night ferry, and actually got a cabin.

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So we actually had a bed where we were able to sleep.

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But, it wasn't anything like like an airplane, I guess.

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Our seats are much bigger, much wider, so it was very luxurious kind of thing.

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Yeah. Both options were fantastic.

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I think we we enjoyed both. So

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Absolutely. Yep. So, yeah, we ended in the south southwest kind of corner of Newfoundland.

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And then there's not much really in the sit in the center of Newfoundland, I guess.

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So the main highway kind of takes you arcs you across all the way to Saint John's.

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So the goal was to drive all the way across, and then you can actually take a ferry from there

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all the way back to Nova Scotia, but that's a 17 hour ferry.

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So we figured we'd get more enjoyment.

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Driving back.

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So we drove all the way to the far side of Newfoundlanders and then ended up driving all the

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way back in that 3 week span.

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Yep. How how many hours roughly of of driving was it?

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So it takes about from, like, Saint John's back to Porte De Basque where the ferry is to go back to Nova Scotia.

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It's about 9 hours of driving.

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Yeah. So not horrible in the grand scheme of things.

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And I think living on Ontario too, we're so used to having to drive fairly far to get to some

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of the more wilderness locations. Right? So we found Right. We found the drive.

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And the drive is so beautiful. Just the landscape's incredible. The mountain ranges.

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It's just our concern with this trip is that we were we're going to get burnt out of driving

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just with what we were taking on, but I never once was just like, oh my gosh.

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We have to have another long drive day.

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Every day was just like, bring it on.

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What are we gonna see today?

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So we really enjoyed the whole thing.

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Yeah. In total, in the 32 days, we put 8 over 8,000 kilometers on the car.

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So, yeah, it was a it was it was just a little bit of driving.

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A little bit of driving.

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But, yeah, as Jess said, like, you know, we don't have mountains really in Ontario.

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So driving through Newfoundland, like, you just there's just mountains that you're, you know,

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drive around the next bend and there's some big mountains.

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So it was just it was so enjoyable just driving, let alone actually exploring and getting out there. So

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And you're right in the ocean the whole time when you're driving?

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Pretty much except for kind of the middle portion.

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You're you're a little bit back from the ocean. But, yeah.

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On on either side, you're pretty much following the ocean.

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You're never too far from the ocean, really.

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When you mentioned not being able to see whales on the ferry, but did you see whales in in the

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in the portions where you're driving or hiking?

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Unfortunately not. No. We did not walk out weather wise on this whole month long adventure.

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I I want to say it rained more than half the time. I haven't added it.

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I haven't fully added it up yet.

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But as an example, and I know for sure the first 4 days it rained on us, which were our travel

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days, so it wasn't so bad.

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So and then, you know, when we actually made it to the Far East Coast, and we were doing some

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backpacking and stuff, it rained all 5 days of that hike. So.

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We were a little soggy, but it was worth it.

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But I think we lucked out like, you know, as far as much as it did rain, we definitely lucked

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out for the days that it did rain.

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So we did some, some bigger hikes, you know, like a 17 kilometre hike in 1 day.

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And, you know, that day we lucked out that it didn't rain.

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It rained the day before and the day after, but not that particular day.

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So I think we were even, no, we did get a lot of rain.

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You know, it's not camping unless it's raining. Right? So

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Well, I know. What month did you go? Just for reference.

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We went in August.

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Pretty much the entire

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So pretty much from both long weekends. Yeah.

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So, yeah, we kinda did the west side of the island first.

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So we went to our destination was Gros Morne, and we spent a week in Gros Morne. And that was lovely.

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That was kind of what drew us to that province first was just looking at some of the photos of Gros Morne.

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It's like we have to get there.

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Yeah. If you type in Newfoundland into Google, the first photo you're you're gonna see is photos

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of Gros Morne and the fjords and stuff that they have there.

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And it's just absolutely stunning.

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So that's their big national park there.

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And yeah, we ended up spending 7 days there.

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We'd only planned to spend 6, but it was just so nice.

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We actually extended our stay by an extra day. So and we ended

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up camp while you were there?

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So we stayed in 8 different campgrounds over the course of the whole month that we were away.

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And then that doesn't include camping on the actual East Coast Trail because that was in different

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campsites as we kind of hiked along.

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And technically, that's not really a campground. But, yeah.

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So we stayed in we slept in our car the 1st night.

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Just because we weren't planning on it, but it was pouring rain, and I didn't wanna set the

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tent up in the pouring rain.

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So we just kinda kept driving. And then Yeah.

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And we were both feeling so great driving.

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We're just like, you know what?

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We're just gonna go as far as we're comfortable going.

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And we ended up finding a really cute spot on Ioverlander.

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There's an app for over landing and, more van lifers.

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So we used that app to try to find somewhere that was relatively good to stay.

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And yeah, that night worked out wonderful.

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But, yeah, we started in Grossmore. Yep.

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Yeah. Slept in the car, slept in Wai Kokomo Provincial Park in Nova Scotia, and then we stayed

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in a small little provincial park in Newfoundland called JT Cheesman Provincial Park.

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And then we got to Gros Morne where we stayed for for the 7 nights.

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And in Gros Morne, it's kind of like Algonquin, where there's like the different campgrounds

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in Algonquin, kind of along the main highway.

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That's the same thing in Gros Morne.

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So there's, I don't know, 5 or 6 different campgrounds there.

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We stayed in 2 different ones and explored kind of the south end of Gros Morne and then drove

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farther north and explored the north end because the landscape is just so crazy.

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In the southern portion, they have what's called the Tablelands.

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And it's just giant mountains, but they're like almost like an orangey red color.

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Just bare.

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And yeah, no trees, no grass, no nothing.

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And then on the north side, you know, that it's big lush forests of and mountains and stuff like that.

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So it was big kind of difference, you know, driving from 1 side to the other, which was which was really neat.

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So we stayed in Gros Morne and then we started our drive across to the other side of Newfoundland

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and we stayed in some smaller little provincial parks.

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And then we got to the East Coast Trail where we hiked that for 5 days.

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And then Jess has an old friend over there.

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So we stayed in at their place for a couple nights kind of near St.

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John's and, got to hang up with them and explore the area.

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And then from there, we basically in St.

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John, we made that 8, 9 hour drive all the way back to the ferry and took the ferry back across.

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So, yeah, we stayed in quite a few different locations.

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But there's so many that we just kind of unfortunately had to if we only stayed like 1 night

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there, like, it was just like a tease.

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We were just like, oh, we just want to stay, want to explore some more like the area.

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Little towns. Yeah. Like Twilling Gate and Buena Vista.

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I can't wait to go back to those areas to explore more.

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And there's just even just great day hikes there as well.

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There there's so much to see.

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And how are the were the people, like, everybody says, you know, they're just they're so so

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friendly and all that's is that the real deal?

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Oh, a 100%. Yeah. Absolutely.

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That's what we were really hoping to accomplish with having this longer time frame was, you

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know, not just to do all, like, the touristy things while we were there.

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We wanted to kinda get in,

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and meet people and talk to different communities in that.

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And everyone asks, like, oh, what was your favorite part?

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And obviously, all the adventuring was great, but the people were way up there and probably

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the top things that we experienced on this trip.

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They were lovely and just, yeah, would give you the shirt off your back their back.

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It was just, different pace than Ontario as well. And, yeah. No. They were fantastic.

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Sweet. Well, and, in terms of comparing your West Coast trail trip to your East Coast trail

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trip, any comparisons, anything different, anything better?

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It was completely different.

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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's it's hard to compare the 2.

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Yeah.

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So the West Coast Trail is an actual national park, so it's all well maintained.

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There's, you know, lots of info about it and that type of stuff versus the East Coast Trail

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is actually a complete volunteer organization.

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It's a non profit, organization or not for profit.

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And, the trails aren't as well marked.

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There's not there's a few designated campsites, but a lot of it is just kind of not really.

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So it's not as well done and nice and as used as the West Coast Trail would be, I guess. And it's substantially longer.

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Yes.

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The West Coast Trail's roughly like 88, 90 kilometers versus the East Coast Trail is 336 kilometers.

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That's a little bit longer. Yeah.

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Yeah. So it's a bit longer.

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We did not do the whole, trail because we would have been there at minimum.

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I think it was, like, 12 days as the recommended or

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No. It's like 18.

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Oh, 18.

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But yeah.

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So we did 50 kilometers of the over 300. But yeah.

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So it just the biggest difference was is that it is all a 100% volunteer base.

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So they do all the maintenance, all the clearing, maintain the boardwalks and everything.

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So, like, kudos to them.

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Their map was actually really great.

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They have an organization that we ordered their maps from so we could decide where we wanted

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to put start the hike and in the hike, and it was great details.

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So we were grateful for all the volunteers that put that together.

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Ladders to go up and down like there was on the West Coast or no?

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We in some spots, I'm sure that we wish there was some ladders. Yep. But but no.

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For the most part, it's I don't think it was as, like, sheer cliffy that we were going up and

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down as we were hiking.

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Well, there was just some spots that we we had a substantial amount of rain and fog on this

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trip, and so we could have been against cliffs, but we just couldn't see them.

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But we don't like hiking them necessarily?

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No. Not hiking them. Yeah.

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So, yeah. No.

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Hiking along them.

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I'd say it was a lot more flat kind of walking, on the East Coast Trail than the West Coast Trail.

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The West Coast Trail, you know, you're just constantly up and down and up and down and up and down.

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And then walking out onto the beach and you had like some good beach stretches where you're

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walking along the beach in the West Coast Trail, versus we didn't really have that on the East Coast Trail.

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I'd say the the landscape is a little more weather beaten from the ocean and the wind and everything.

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So the trees and like right along the coast, there isn't a ton of big, big trees.

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So you're able to just kind of like walk some almost like grassy fields to a certain extent, as you're walking.

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And then, but generally, we were always walking with like a 100 foot cliff to our right side, down into the ocean.

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It was, it was pretty stunning.

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Yeah.

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When, when we could actually see and it wasn't foggy, it was, it was a pretty stunning view

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for the majority of the hike.

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And is it like the West Coast Trail where you need permits and to organize it going like you

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did with that or no? It's just No,

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that that's a good that's a great question actually.

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No, you as of right now, it's all completely free.

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So they they really promote obviously, you know, the leave no trace, attitude while you're out there.

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There is so they've broken the trail down into different sections based on their map.

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So each section of trail is is labeled and there's like trailheads and it has pretty good descriptions

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of what's along the way.

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So before we went, we went, we found a Facebook group about the trail and someone had actually

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kind of written down where the campsites were, and we could printed that off.

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And as we went along, we could kind of, however far we wanted to go each day, we could, you

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know, pick where we were gonna kind of find a place to stay.

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So for night 1, we found, there was, like, a designated campsite.

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And night 2, there was a designated, like, actual East Coast Trail campsite.

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But after that, we were just kinda sleeping alongside the trail wherever we could find a a

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flat spot.

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Enough spot. And it did some night it the 1 night it did take some time to find anywhere that was Yeah.

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Appropriate to put our tent up, but it worked out.

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So, yeah, it was it was free, which was really, really neat.

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And there's parking spots kind of along the trail.

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So it's broken down to do it for, like, day hikers.

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So what a lot of people do is they'll they'll section hike the trail and they'll go and do 1

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section a day and then kinda make your way along and then you could sleep in like a hotel or

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an Airbnb, which, you know, would have been nice.

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And you can actually do that if you're doing, like, the entire thing.

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You actually unlike the West Coast Trail, the East Coast Trail, you walk through a lot of small

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little coastal villages along the trail.

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So it gives you some more opportunity to, you know, sleep in a hotel or an Airbnb and, you know,

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get some supplies and food and stuff along the way, which was really nice.

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Unlike the West Coast Trail where you're just kind of in a rainforest and you're on your own.

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The East Coast Trail, you there's civilization almost on every pathway to a certain extent.

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So you're not so remote or isolated.

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Yeah. Yeah. Sounds like it could kinda kinda neat way to do it.

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Like, it's very different from anything else, You know?

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It doesn't even culinary or whatever, if you're doing a a 3 day or a 5 day, you're in

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Yeah.

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Until you come out or until you double back, however, that plays out. But, yeah, neat.

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Slop off, have a nice plush Airbnb, go do some grocery shopping.

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Take in some culture.

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Catch a movie.

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Absolutely. That'd

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be neat. So how long did it take?

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There must have been epic planning. Like like, how long?

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What how did you go about how did you go what resources did you use?

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For, like, the whole Facebook.

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For, like, the whole month? For the

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whole for your whole trip.

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Yeah. This was, like, almost years of planning to a certain extent and, you know, getting our

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the biggest thing was actually getting our workplaces to allow us to have this much time off in a row. Right.

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So that was kinda like the big hinge in the in

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the Yeah. Once we got that approval and we made all of our plans, then it was just like, okay. It's go time.

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Let's start let's get everything booked. And it's like, okay.

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Well, when can we book here and there?

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Because it's so far out.

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Well, we couldn't book, like, just like Algonquin, we can only book 5 months out or whatever. Right?

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So it was planning all that to make sure we didn't miss out in Gros Morin being so iconic.

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The morning that we could book and it opened, I was literally just watching all of the campsites

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go book, book, book, book, book.

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I'm in had Alex and I'm like, I can't click on anything fast enough to get this thing booked.

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So it it worked out, but it was like the panic.

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I'm like, oh my gosh.

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We're not going to be able to camp there because it was so quick.

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But, I think everyone was just very eager on that 7 AM, opening of the booking.

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And it it did calm down after that, and there was availability.

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But just watching everything flicker, I was like, oh, shoot.

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Sounds like booking Ontario parks, boy.

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Yeah. Pretty much. Actually, the act overall, the ferry was probably the hardest 1.

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0, true.

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The ferry books up very, very quickly.

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You almost have to book that, you know, 6, 8 months in advance just to even get there.

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So, yeah, some of the campgrounds were a little bit easier, and then we didn't have to book

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anything for the East Coast Trail, so that was

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And that gave us some flexibility too.

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So we had, like, an overarching plan of where we were going to be, but we didn't really plan out each day. It's like, okay.

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We're doing this today, this today, this today.

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It was kinda like these groups of days.

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We're gonna try to do all these things, because based on weather, it was gonna be really weather

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dependent on what we could do in terms of our hikes and things like that.

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We're comfortable hiking in the rain to a certain extent, but we also want to enjoy the trails

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that we are going to be doing.

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So we did, the mountain trail in Gros Morne.

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That's a 17 kilometer loop. And it's like, okay.

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Well, we're gonna really pick which day we're going to do that because we're climbing up a mountain.

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We want to enjoy it as much as we can, and not have inclement weather to deal with.

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So thankfully, Jess is like the Excel ninja.

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And we just we just like had each day kind of roughed out.

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And then like, you know, if it's gonna be nice, we can do these things.

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If it's not gonna be nice, we can go to these museums or something. So it was tough.

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Like, you know, we're we're so used to planning, you know, you go on a canoe trip and you're

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like, okay, I have to get to this lake today.

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I have to get to this lake tomorrow.

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We had to leave it a little bit more flexible, but there was

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some things that were like written in stone, like our ferry times and our time at Gros Morne.

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They were kind of like written in stone and we knew we had to, you know, make longer drives

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or push to get to those places in order to be able to see them for the time frames that we've had booked.

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But luckily with the East Coast Trail and a couple other items, we were a little bit more flexible

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and we could alter some things kind of as we went along.

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But, yeah, there was years of planning that went into this and then, you know, even day of planning.

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You know, some things kind of changed at the last minute.

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So it was, yeah, lots lots of maps, lots of notes, lots of

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lots of lots of planning.

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Researching and googling and trying to find best spots and things like that or other people's

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trip reports of, you know, where's the best place to go. Right?

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So it's just a lot of the the normal research that we would do for any trip. But, Yeah.

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It was a a long time.

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Where did you dig up other people's trip reports?

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For the East Coast Trail, the big 1 is actually the East Coast Trail Facebook group.

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There's a couple of them.

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There's some for just like day hikers and then there's, for the through hikers.

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So I think it's on the through hiking Facebook group that it talks about all the different places to camp.

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And there's I forget who had created it, but someone's made a a phenomenal Excel spreadsheet,

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with all the water sources, all the campsites, and different lookouts and stuff along the way.

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So we printed that out.

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We had it with us.

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And, yeah, that 1 was more flexible as far as where we were going to be staying because certain

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sections of the trail are a lot more strenuous and a lot more difficult.

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So we didn't know how far we'd actually be able to travel every single day.

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As an example, similar to the West Coast Trail, there were times where we would only travel

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1 kilometer in an hour of hiking.

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Normally, like walking down a road, you can easily go 5 or 6 kilometers in an hour.

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But yeah, we're making 0 headway, so I think the 1 day we only made it, like, 7 kilometers in the Yeah.

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It was it was a slow day.

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Just because of the amount of rain and how, like, slippery and kind of dangerous the paths were.

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We just really took our time.

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And as Jess said, this was our vacation.

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So we weren't out there to, like, kill ourselves and set any new records or anything.

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We wanted to see and take in as much as we absolutely could. So

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Yeah. But we made up for it.

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We had 1 7 kilometer day, and then the next day or the day after that was 20 kilometers.

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So we made up for it on that day.

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We had some great weather.

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So we're just like, let's just keep on hiking. This is great.

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We got to the most easterly point of Canada, which is pretty special to see and stand on.

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And, so that was a pretty wicked day to have that many kilometers underneath our boots.

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Cool.

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On Cape Spear, did you get to Cape Spear?

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Yeah. So that's the most easternly point of Canada.

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So we started, at Bay Bulls, I believe is the name of, like, the the start of the section that we started on.

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And then we hiked for 3 days to Cape Spear.

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Got to see, like, the most easterly part of Canada.

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And then we continued another 2 days up from there, and then popped off the trail.

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But I had read that the trail is open year round.

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So even in the winter, you can hike the East Coast Trail.

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Yeah. There's there's certain sections I probably wouldn't be hiking in the winter to keep.

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I can imagine.

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The first section that we did, definitely, I wouldn't do that in the winter.

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Just between all the rain and the cliffs and but the last portion that we did closer to Cape

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Spear, I would think that would probably be manageable in the wintertime.

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Oh, yeah. For sure.

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Yeah. There were sections that were just, they marked them from moderate to strenuous.

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So it was a good, the maps were really great in determining that and the strenuous, they were accurate with that name.

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The moderate were pretty for your hiker, like, they're pretty good, but the strenuous, they did not lie. Yeah. Yeah.

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Well, you mentioned, water sources.

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What kind of water sources?

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I'm I'm my tiny brain because you're beside the ocean, saltwater.

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So what about what were what was non saltwater sources?

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Like, you know, I'm picturing, you know, canoeing, filtering water, and stuff like that.

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Is it was that what we were into?

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Yeah. So the that was actually 1 of the better parts for the sections that we did.

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The water was for the most part, very, very clear.

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And as I said, we were hiking along the cliff edges.

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And then so to my right, because we hiked north.

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So to my right was the ocean.

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And, like, generally it was like a 100 foot, 200 foot drop off to the ocean.

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So anytime we stepped over a stream or a creek that just shot over the edge of the cliff down

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hundreds of feet into the ocean.

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So it just made for some, like, insane epic waterfalls, like just falling 100 of feet down a

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sheer cliff into the ocean.

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So those were our water sources.

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There was a lot of, smaller, little creeks that we just stepped over as we were walking each

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day there, you know, anywhere from 3 to 10, little creeks.

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We hop over as we were going along.

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There was a couple bridges.

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So those were our water sources and they were all relatively pretty clean for the sections that we were doing.

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We'd read that there are a couple sections where the water is very, you know, tea colored with

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all the tannins similar to what we're familiar with with Algonquin.

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But most part, our water was was was always nice and clean, and we still filtered it, obviously.

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But, yeah, that's where we got our water from. Cool.

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And you dehydrated food, took took dehydrated food with you or?

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Yeah. So for this whole month long trip, we knew we were gonna be like camping and kinda being more secluded.

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So we did a lot of dehydrated meals.

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We did like 25 dehydrated meals ourselves before we went.

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And that's what we were planning to use to even when we were in provincial and national parks,

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because we were didn't know what the food situation was going to be.

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We heard that groceries were gonna be quite expensive on East Coast as well.

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So we just kinda had a meal plan, and we had set up a Rubbermaid bin, with different levels of a pantry.

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So we had, you know, our oatmeals, our dehydrated meals that we could do for lunch or dinner.

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So we kinda had a pretty big kitchen, set just so wherever the heck we ended up, we would always

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know we'd have a meal that we enjoyed with us.

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Yeah. On the East Coast Trail, we kinda went between our own dehydrated meals and then some,

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you know, store bought dehydrated meals, which are just always so delicious.

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Yeah. I I don't think I've ever had a store bought dehydrated meal.

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Just because I look at the price tag on them and go, I don't think so.

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Well, we had, there's a manufacturer who makes them here in London, I believe, OTG.

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I think Yep. Both maybe. Or yes. In that area.

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Somewhere in Ontario. And, so we we'd always wanted to try 1 of his.

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And so we brought 1 of those along.

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And we've we've always had some pretty good luck with the alpine air meals.

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Yeah, they've always been delicious.

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And for the most part, their serving sizes are like a serving size 2.

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So we can we can share 1.

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So even if it has like a $13 price tag, you know, we're splitting that.

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So it's, you know, $6 a person. Yep.

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So we won't do that all the time.

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But the convenience factor of just being able to boil water, pour it right into the bag, you know, seal it up.

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Jess will use that as like a hot water bottle and, you know, put it under her shirt and, like, keep keeps her warm.

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And, you know, and then just eat right out of the bag.

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So no dishes, no mess.

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It's, you know, super easy that way.

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So, we'll do that on the on the harder days.

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So the days we hike longer or more exhausted and, like, you just get to camp.

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You you just have enough energy to set the tent up and kinda lie down and then boil some water

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that those are the days what we'll do those versus sometimes our meals, our dehydrated meals

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will be, you know, you'll create some mess and you'll have some dishes to do.

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So

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Or they take more fuel too sometimes too if you need to let them simmer.

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So it on the long haul hike trips, we'll mix it up just for ease a little bit.

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And we're always a bit mindful to our comfort level with weights and what we wanna carry on our back.

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So we went a lot lighter weight this hike and we were grateful for it.

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It it completely was game changer on the trail.

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Absolutely.

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And I know you guys are into fishing.

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So did you do any fishing while you're on the East Coast?

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Oh, I definitely wanted to, But the fishing rules are a little trickier there.

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You need multiple licenses to go fishing.

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And for an out of province thing, it's it's more expensive.

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And then we thought about even just doing like a cod fishing trip.

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So like getting on someone's boat and having them take us out to go cod fishing.

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But it just didn't end up working into our schedules with the weather and the things we wanted to do.

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Again, that's we kinda put it in our brains that that's something, you know, even if I'm, you

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know, 80 years old and, you know, I can't go hiking anymore, I could go stand on a fishing boat and go then.

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So I'll just we'll put that on the list for for later.

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We were pretty lucky on our return trip home.

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We have some friends kinda back closer to home and in New Brunswick.

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And, so we stopped with them for a couple of days and did some coastal fishing with them, where

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you don't need a license to fish in coastal waters.

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So, like, you're fishing kinda right in the ocean, essentially.

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So that was kinda cool.

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So we were able to do a little bit of fishing, but definitely not as much as, you know, we would have liked.

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Mhmm. Next time. Did

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you catch anything?

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Yeah. So we, we caught some flounder, which are kind of cool.

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I don't know if you've ever seen a flounder, but they're like the the flat fish that rest right

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on the bottom, and then both their eyes are facing on 1 side of their body.

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So we found some of them and some mackerel, I believe, which are just like, like a little tiny

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torpedo, but bright blue and stuff like colors.

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We don't have in fish here in Ontario.

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Yeah. Very unique. A lot more vibrant.

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And just pure muscle. You're swimming around in the ocean.

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You have all the tides.

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And so where we were fishing was very close to, the Bay of Fundy, which if you're not familiar

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with the Bay of Fundy, that's where the the largest tides are in the world.

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So twice a day, the tides are going in and out, like, 100 and 100 of feet.

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So that was kind of pretty interesting to wrap our brains around.

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We'd be standing on shore and you'd cast out and like an hour later, you're 10 feet from the water.

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And, you know, it's just, you know, going out.

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So and when we went, it was during a full moon.

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So the tides were even more extreme.

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So, yeah, that made for just absolutely what either constantly having to, like, chase the water

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because it just keeps going out farther and farther and farther and farther.

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So that was pretty cool.

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But because we're on the ocean, the wildlife is more abundant.

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So, a, we never knew what we were gonna catch.

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You're casting into the ocean.

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Are you gonna catch a whale or a shark or, like, what what's gonna be on your line?

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So the 1 thing that happened to us almost every day that we went fishing is we're fishing and

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we we catch 1 or 2 fish.

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And then all of a sudden a seal or a sea lion or something would swim into our little bay.

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And then there's no more fish.

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They all left because the seal chased them away.

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So, you know, that that was kind of a bummer, but at the same time, it was super cool to, like,

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see, like, sea lions and, you know, big marine wildlife swimming around.

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And, they were chasing the fish away, so we didn't catch anybody.

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Anybody, but we got to see some wildlife.

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So That's an okay trade off.

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Yeah. Cool.

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I don't know. What so fine.

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There's your there's your East Coast.

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But along the drive, were there any Bay of Fundy, were there any really cool things that that

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will be a memory you're never going to you're gonna hang on till till you're our age?

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Yeah. Well, definitely, Gros Morne, I'd say it was the most mountainous.

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And again, because we don't really have mountains where we are right now.

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There was 1 section where you're just driving.

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I think it was like an hour, maybe hour drive along, and you were going up and down so much.

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Like your ears were popping, like, constantly constantly.

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So, like, that's how much elevation you were, like, changing in that hour. Yeah.

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So that was that was a really cool section, that we got to drive.

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I think gross morn in general

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Mhmm.

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Is just gonna stick out, And we were able to get 1 of the so their backcountry campsites are

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they call them primitive campsites, and you can only book them I think it was the day of that you wanted to camp.

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So much different than what we're used to.

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So when we were booking Gros Morne, I'm like, I wanna book Backcountry, and it was only you

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have to show up and book it in person.

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So much different than we're what we're used to. But that Yeah.

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That that backcountry campsite in Gros Morne, was 1 of my favorite nights there.

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I think it was just fantastic.

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It was right on the coast.

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We had a herd of sheep visit us on the coast right there.

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We ended up having dinner with them because they were quite happy to graze there.

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So being able to have that experience was really high on my list of just awesome adventures.

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But as far as far as driving, I'd say the second best was the Twilengate area, which is famous for like icebergs.

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Obviously, a little bit earlier than August in the season.

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But that just the landscapes there, like it definitely reminds you of something like you've

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experienced in Europe with like the cliffs down into the ocean and the foggy little fishing villages.

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That place we wish we could have spent more time in and explored some more of, because there were some great like

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hiking trails there. Just, you know, even short ones.

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So, yeah, that place I could we could have just driven around through those little towns and villages all day long.

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Yep.

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Cool.

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Awesome. Any epic trips planned?

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Or do you wanna disclose that information?

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For next year, you're talking about?

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Oh, this Next whenever. Yeah.

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Yeah. Hopefully, we get a winter.

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I don't really know what Southern Ontario is gonna bring for us this year.

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Ideally, we would just do some ice fishing trips, around here.

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But if it's anything like last year, we might not get that much ice.

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So, yeah, for next year, we haven't really sat down.

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We've still been we're still literally going through all the footage and the amount of pictures

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and videos and stuff that we took from our East Coast trip.

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We're still kinda trying to collaborate that altogether.

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So we haven't put too too much thought into next year yet.

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But in order to go to the national parks in Newfoundland that we went to, like Gros Morne, we

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did have to buy a national parks pass.

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So that's good for for 1 year.

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So there's the possibility of visiting maybe a national park in Ontario.

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We talked about that, for 2024 before our pass expires.

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But, yeah, don't really know. Open to suggestions.

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Gonna say open suggestions. Yeah.

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What what do you guys have planned?

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Surprisingly. That's so much.

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So when when we when we camp, it's car camping.

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Right.

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So I don't know. That's generally a where do you wanna go, hon? Okay. I'll book it. I'll figure something out.

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As far as backcountry because it's it's with our our our eldest, is what I usually do.

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Where I've actually it has recently sort of come to my mind that I only backcountry camp with him.

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Like, I don't I don't do anything with anybody else.

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So we we actually we had a friend come on our fall trip, and that was a just for me, it was a mind blowing. I was like, woah.

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Somebody else on the trip. How cool is that?

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So it was because it was really enjoyable, just the the weird dynamic of having that third person,

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I started planning to do maybe a a 6 or an 8 person trip to somewhere like, Killarney or, you

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know, somewhere in that realm of the world next summer.

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Try to try to see if we can snag, you know, 2 sites sort of closest together and, and do something like that.

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Oh, very cool.

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Very, very cool.

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Yeah. Yeah. Well, we'll see.

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It's very early planning, so I'm sure I'll trip over something at some point. But yeah.

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Yeah. I think I I think I, like, just missed you.

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I I believe you went to the wild lands this year, and I think I went Yes.

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You were the week after or something. You and, and Cohen. Right?

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That's right. Yeah.

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Yeah. That was a That was a different experience.

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I I've never done, what do they call that? Non operating.

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So we Thomas and I were I don't know.

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We were a ways north, and figured we'd we'd paddle down and and pick up a site closer down to

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Head Lake, hang out there for another day, and then bail out early on the Sunday morning. We came down. There was nothing.

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We never saw a site that was open, and we paddled around for hours.

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So it was we just just kept going and ended up having to bail out a day early because yeah.

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I didn't it hadn't occurred to me that it was Saturday, and it was beautiful, you know, towards

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the end of the towards the end of the season, and it's like, ah, shoot.

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So I'll be planning that differently next time.

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Yeah. I've we were pretty lucky, like, we did on Monday to a Friday.

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So Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, there was nobody.

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As we were leaving, it was just like 1 canoe after another was passing us going in the other direction.

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I'm like, well, I think we timed this quite well.

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I, you know, I didn't really know what to expect.

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That was my first time going there too to an to a non operating park.

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And, yeah, the weekends are, are very busy.

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Yep. And then it's weird to see boat traffic too. Like, I don't know.

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There's there's a couple of times I've run into it in the Kawartha Highlands and in Algonquin,

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but just tiny little boats.

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These are, like, big ass boats. Wow. I don't know. Yeah.

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It it messes with my brain.

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I wanna see people, you know, people people power moving moving boats.

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Right. Yeah. And that's why we're such big fans of Algonquin where there's only, like, a handful

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of lakes that actually allow motorized boats.

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And then even then, those motors have to be, you know, a certain size.

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So Yeah. Like, 5 horse or I think they go up to 9 at some point. But Right.

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That I'm kinda okay with that.

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But these were, like, big.

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Yeah. Yeah. Weird.

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That's it for us for today.

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Thank you so much to our special guest, Tenson Timber or Alex and Jess.

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Please do check them out.

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I think they have, like, 80 80 something videos up on YouTube now because I remember we we figured

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out the number the last time you're on, and it was a much smaller number.

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So way to put that content out.

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Yeah. There'll be there'll be lots more coming too with our East Coast adventure.

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We haven't even fully started posting that on YouTube. Just more so Instagram.

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It sounds like it would be epic and beautiful. So Yeah. Yeah.

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