Tori Baird drops by to tell us all about Paddle Like A Girl & an epic hiking trip the whole family took!

Tori is such a natural speaker! You'll love this episode!
We talk about empowering women and giving them a safe space to learn new skills, epic trips planned and epic trips taken, being the family's IT department and the experience of being a t.v. personality.

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Transcript

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Hello and good day, eh? Welcome to the Super Good Camping Podcast. My name is Pamela.

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I'm Tim.

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And we are from supergoodcamping.com. We're here because we're on a mission to inspire other people to get outside and enjoy outdoor adventures such as we have as a family. Today's guest is a very busy woman. She is an adventurer, author, mother, certified orca, canoe instructor, hiker, business owner, wife, guide, certified in wilderness and remote first aid, and TV personality. Welcome, Tori Baird. Yay! Yay! Thank you so much. Thank you

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for having me.

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Thanks for coming out and having a yak with us.

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Well, I don't know what you want to talk about, but we want to talk about Paddle Like a Girl.

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Okay, awesome. We're diving right into it. I was going to try to do some lead up.

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What is Paddle Like a Girl? I know, but Okay,

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sure. Sorry. So paddle like a girl. Well, I started it in 2020. The idea was to just kind of create a space for women to get out on the water and just kind of this non judgmental space where you can kind of feel vulnerable learning a new skill. Because just from my experience being out canoeing, I rarely saw like women who looked like me out there. But, you know, I learned everything I know from my husband and so it's kind of nice to have a space where it's all women and we can kind of learn from each other we can try new things and just not feel like super intimidated and also just inspire more women to get out on the water you know you can just being in nature is so healing that you know I feel like more women need to do that so I just kind of wanted to introduce more women to this the sport of paddling

SPEAKER_03: 1:45

that's awesome yay I am a hundred percent behind everything you just said. That's awesome. How does, so, but how does it, how does it work? Do you guys do like day clinics, weekend clinics? Do you do, sort of like go out and do a, you know, a three day or, or a week long trip once, once, like, does it, is it a progressive thing? I have so many questions.

SPEAKER_02: 2:10

Yeah, no. So we have a few options right now. They initially started off as like, I just call them overnight workshops. I think we're going to maybe work on the title of those for next year, but it's basically two nights, but it's really just like one full day in the middle of those two nights. So I made it two nights just simply because we are far from the city and it's kind of of a far away for people to travel so just they get up there the first evening we hang out get to know each other have a little campfire and then the next morning it's a full day of learning so we talk about like back country so map reading and trip planning waterproofing gear proper like attire for the back country we talk about you know food prep and then we talk about canoeing so we do some on land stuff so kind of the theory stuff and then we teach them how to get the canoes onto their shoulders we do a short portage it's about 400 meters to the put in paddle for you know a couple kilometers up river have a nice lunch on a crownland campsite swim hang out that's where they have the opportunity to do a solo paddle and then we paddle back portage back and have dinner over the fire and then they camp one more night and then the next morning is yoga and nice big hot breakfast so we provide everything Yeah. Come spend the weekend outside with other like-minded women. I'll feed you. You don't have to worry about food. And like the yoga kind of ties it all up nicely at the end. stretch out the muscles that maybe people aren't really used to using if they're not, you know, avid paddlers. And so that's what it started off as. And then after I think I think the first year was done the following year, I tried half day workshops. So knowing that, you know, it's kind of a big time commitment and a bigger expense to come up to our property. for the whole weekend. I wanted to make them a little bit more accessible for just the paddling portion. So if somebody just wants to learn how to canoe, I took just the paddling portion of it and offered it down in the city. So we did a couple of days in Port Credit and we just did like two back-to-back four-hour workshops and then, which had a good turnout. And so now we offer the half-day workshops. I have a couple of guides in Peterborough offering half-day workshops and we do like one in Cambridge, Valens Lake, conservation area. But the goal, the goal is to start offering more. So to have more locations, more guides, we want to offer, you know, that back country portion of it that we do here at the overnight workshops, we want to offer that back country, like kind of the theory stuff, also as a half day workshop next year in different locations. So like in Peterborough, because we're finding a lot of people are interested in the actual planning of a canoe trip, like, okay, maybe they understand how to paddle the canoe but now they want to actually go into the backcountry and what what is required to do that so we're gonna try to do more of the theory stuff as a half-day workshop uh similarly like so that they don't have the full weekend commitment and it's a bit more accessible for folks so that's what it is right now and then we also collaborate with like guiding companies so we'll kind of more or less team up with an outfitter. So for the past few years, we worked with Tomogami Outfitting Company. And we're just basically like handing off the Paddle Like a Girl, like alumni, we call it. So anybody who's done a Paddle Like a Girl workshop, it's kind of like this exclusive trip that you get to be a part of. Take the skills that you learned and now apply it in the actual backcountry. And so it's just kind of a warm transfer, I like to call it, to take away the, you know, the... of just signing up for a random guided trip. It's like, you know, this group of people will have the same mentality as you. We want it to be a safe, empowering environment. So we've done Tomogami Outfitting for the past few years. We plan to do that again next year. But next year, we're also doing one in the Yukon. So we teamed up with Up North Adventures. And so we actually just sold out yesterday. We launched the tickets yesterday at 7, and we filled it up in half an hour, 12 people paddling the Teslan River. So I'm really, really excited. I'm excited for the group of people that signed up. It's going to be a very... You know, it's a once in a lifetime trip for a lot of people. So trips like that are life changing. So I'm very, very excited for them to be a part of that. So, yeah, I just hope to continue to kind of grow it and offer people these opportunities to get out and explore different areas and really like, you know, be immersed in nature.

SPEAKER_00: 7:23

When you're a whitewater paddler yourself as well, right?

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Yeah.

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I don't know if I would classify myself as a whitewater paddler. I'm a bow whitewater paddler. So I, I'm very much like, I just do what I'm told to do in the bow. I've not like I've tried to solo little stuff. But no, I'm, I'm terrified of whitewater. I'll be honest. Like I said, I'll just do what I'm told in the bow. And yeah. Yeah.

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I hadn't, I, I, I'm with you. I'm, I'm, I'm terrified. Although I have a number of, a number, a number of friends trying to convince me to, to do, to do it, but I can't, I'm not a bow paddler. Like I'm a stern guy. That's, that's how that plays. So I think that's as much as anything. That's why I'm terrified. Cause I know I have to actually know what the heck I'm doing and, and, and not, and be shouting things out and where we're going and say, it's like, well, I'm going to be a colossal failure at that.

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Yeah.

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It's too scary. That is awesome. How gratifying, how empowering is to like 30 minutes, I just sold out a trip that, you know, let's go see what happens. And everybody goes, yep, we're signing up. That's like, how cool is that, right?

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That was, it was so cool. Like, so I work with, her name's Emily. She does a lot of the marketing for Paddle Like a Girl. She's helped me a ton this year. And so we kind of worked on it together, like building up the excitement for it. And so we were both like texting each other all day, like, oh, is it seven o'clock yet? And we were kind of, I knew one person for sure was signing up because, you know, she was messaging, I can't wait for seven o'clock. And so I'm like, for sure we have one person signing up. And then, you know, I have an app that tells me for my website that tells me anytime someone's on the website and what page they're on. And if we get a sale or anything, it'll ding in a certain way. And so Emily and I are both, you know, waiting for these notifications to come in and just like one after the other, like I think one a minute was coming in up until when we had eight people signed up at 7.08 and we were just like, is this really happening? You know, because I was kind of anticipating, you know, selling a few and then having to really promote it and selling the last few spots. And so we were both like, I feel like crying, you know, we're just so excited that people really wanted to do this. And Cause it's a big commitment. It's a lot, it's a lot of money and it's, it, you know, and on top of that they have to pay to fly out to white horse and you know, what if something happened to, what if they get injured next year and knock on wood, it's non-refundable and stuff like that. So like it's a risk, but it's something that obviously they wanted to do. And I'm, I think that they absolutely should. And that's why we're offering this. And so we were very, very excited and like shocked that it, it did as well as it did. And so now we're actually trying to see if, you know, were there people who missed out on it? Should we offer another, like a second trip for more people? So we're just kind of right now gauging interest to see if we can fill another trip, if enough people have interest, but yeah, it was very, it was amazing. It was very, a good evening, I would say.

SPEAKER_03: 10:49

Yeah, I'd say so too. Out of curiosity, what's the, What's the guide to guest ratio for a massive trip like that?

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So with Up North, they do a six to one ratio. So there's 12 people and then two guides.

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Two guides. Cool.

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Yeah.

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That'd be awesome, man. That would be awesome.

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Yeah.

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Sorry, we're both staring at it. We just got a new fur baby today. Oh. And she's got... It's, it's, it's called backward sneezing. Yeah. It's where they inhale as a sneeze instead of exhale as a sneeze. Yeah. So we're, we're watching that happen. Sorry about that. This is a, this is a brand new thing for us.

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It's exciting though. She's a rescue. So we're all just getting to know each other.

SPEAKER_02: 11:42

What kind of dog?

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Um,

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She's a poodle across something. They said maybe schnauzer and poodle.

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Cool. Yeah, she's got gray coloring. She's timid. Aw. Okay, so you're a content creator in about a thousand different sort of slots, for lack of a better term. How the heck do you... A, do you have just a wickedly creative brain? And B, where do you find all the time to do all that? Because doing mum things, doing tripping things, doing like just, how do you squeeze it in? Or are you just a lunatic and you just feel a need to be on the go all the time?

SPEAKER_02: 12:30

Definitely the latter. I'm a lunatic. No, like I was actually, today I was like kind of losing my mind a little bit because Jim is, I helped Jim, a lot my husband does like you know his videos and he started a podcast um you said that your it is like your kids who are

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my

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kids yeah use the back so i'm jim's it but the problem with that is that i also don't really know what i'm doing i'm just really good at like googling so for so for example this podcast uh that he's doing i had to suddenly become really good at you know, setting up mics and connecting this to that and editing. And like, I really genuinely have no idea what I'm doing. And he hasn't done a podcast in a long time, but he did one today. And so it was like re-remembering everything that I had learned eight months ago from, you know, and so I was kind of, you know, running around like a maniac and then I'm also trying to edit this video that was supposed to go live last Tuesday but I was like it's not getting done so now we're hoping to have it done Sunday and I still feel very behind and then you know the paddle like a girl stuff I'm so I'm so excited about it right now that I'm really struggling to focus on anything else so I'm definitely feeling like I'm being spread very thin but it's all very fun and exciting I'm and but i'm dropping a lot of balls you know a lot like the house is a disaster you know i don't i think we just have been eating like frozen lasagnas every night like you know you can only do so much i suppose well

SPEAKER_03: 14:13

yeah i mean there's only so many hours in the day and i i kind of don't care how much energy you have you're still burning like you're you know you're you're gonna fall down at some point i totally get the i forgot how to do things we We did, we did three and three and a half, three and three quarter years for the first season where we never stopped. And then we took a almost three month hiatus and we came back to it. It's like, I don't even, I have no idea what we do. Like I have no, it was cause it was, you know, it's muscle memory before. Now it's like, what's on lights. There's lights, shoot the microphones. How to, where did I put them? I have to screw them back on. You know, it's like, it's all of

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that. Totally. Yeah. Yeah.

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Well, cool. I mean, I love the content that you put out. It's amazing. I follow you mostly on Instagram. I follow mostly everybody on Instagram, although I do use YouTube. We have a sneezing dog again.

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Yeah. I wonder what causes that. I

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don't know. We're pretty good. Sorry. I was going to say we're, Pamela's pretty good about keeping the place clean. So I don't think it's dust or anything like that. I think, I don't know. Our, our previous for a baby had a, had a similar issue.

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He had lots of allergies though.

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He was allergic to

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everything. I think we're done. Go

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ahead.

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Well, so tell us about the TV personality thing. I'm curious about.

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Oh, so in 2020, I don't even know. what year it was Hudson would have been turning two oh my gosh was it his first birthday I forget what year it was 2022 so in 2022 we had this really cool opportunity um National Geographic reached out to Jim at the beginning of the year, I think it was, they had seen one of our YouTube videos. So we did this cross country drive with Wesley. It was just Wesley at the time. We didn't have Hudson, but we drove up to the Yukon and did like this winter drive. kind of expedition up there with with Wes and they really enjoyed that video series from YouTube and so they actually reached out to Jim to see you know if we they could pitch a show on us and the adventures that we go on I think specifically because of Wesley's disabilities they thought it was really inspiring that we were taking him out and still getting out on adventures with him and so yeah they they pitched a show and then they ended up coming up and filming four episodes just as like kind of pilot episodes and then And then those aired the following summer. So they were wanting to see what the interest was, like what the numbers looked like. And so didn't get enough viewers. So they didn't renew it or anything. It was at a time when Disney, I guess, just got a new CEO. And then also just everything was like... They were losing a lot of money, and so we weren't really anticipating that we would get renewed, but it was a very interesting experience. So we were kind of like, do we want to do that again? And we were kind of trying to not have any expectations one way or the other, because it was a really cool opportunity, and yeah. But it was a lot, just the whole filming of it. But yeah, it's called Home in the Wild, and I think it's on Disney Plus still. But it's just four episodes, and it's just us out camping with the kids. And we go to the French River and another lake near here. It's all pretty local.

SPEAKER_03: 18:01

Cool. Probably not a ton of fun to have a camera in your face all the time, but... outside of that to have an excuse and potentially be actually getting paid to go camping, I'd be okay with that part.

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Right, yeah. Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_03: 18:16

What about, so you're out adventuring, you're doing all the things all the time. Do you have any sort of memorable trips? A couple that are just like, yeah, I'm never going to forget that. It was so awesome. Those kind of trips.

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Or it was such a disaster. Or it was such a

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disaster as having talked to a number of people. Those are the ones that seem to stick the most. It's like, yeah, if it went perfect, I remember some nice pictures I had from it. I don't remember the trip. If it was a complete disaster, I remember every second of it.

SPEAKER_02: 18:46

Yes. Those are like the ones that always make a good story are the ones that go back. or, you know, the ones that go wrong or something like that. Right. Yeah. I would say, uh, my, like the one trip that really challenged me physically and emotionally was, um, our Brockie's backpacking trip. So it actually wasn't a canoe trip. It was actually our, yeah, our hiking trip. So we did, and we're not hikers. That's canoes and not backpacking but we hiked from Jasper to Grand Cache so we had to hike through you know Jasper and then we had to hike over the height of land into Wilmore Wilderness which is just north of Jasper so it's like a non-operating park basically it's a protected area but that section in between Jasper and Wilmore that section between Jasper and Wilmore not a lot of people really travel through there because you know people usually either stick within Jasper on those trails or there's The trails in Wilmore, it's much more of a horse packing area. So the trails are very well worn by like horses. So they're like deep ruts and really muddy. But we did 20 kilometers a day for eight days. So we did 160 kilometers. And, you know, we're also from Ontario, so we're not really used to hiking mountains. And like I said, we didn't really. Yeah, we also didn't really pack very much. And so anyways, it was just like such an empowering trip because, you know, day one, we have to hike 20 something kilometers and we're like, you know, every 5k we're like, are we going to make it? Like, what if we signed ourselves up for it? Like your legs are, you know, you're breaking in your hiking legs. And so, yeah. by the time we made it to camp, I was like, I don't think I'm going to be able to walk tomorrow. Like, I think we just got to hike back out of here. But the next morning I was like, wow, I feel fine. I feel great. And each day it was just a challenge to like get to camp. But every time you made it to your destination each day, you're just like, we did it. We did it again. Like, this is amazing. It just feels so good to get to camp. And, and then like, you know, so each day was a victory and then, Of course, when you finish the entire trip, it's a victory. But the coolest part about that was, yeah, so we actually discovered, well, I'm talking with this group of horse packers that we saw on, I think it was day six that we bumped into them. We were telling them the route that we took and they explained to us that his grandmother actually lived. So where they originally lived was down in Jasper. And when the parks came in, you know, to make it a park and booted them out, they actually traveled the exact route that we were Yeah, that'd be pretty wild. I mean,

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you're, you're kind of walking through the past, right? That's, that's a cool thing.

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Yeah, it was really, really cool. And we kind of keep in touch with them, actually. And yeah, I think he I think his name is Ken Grout. And he I think he wrote a book. I think we have one of his books. But anyways, really, really cool. Just like, such authentic people, you know, like to run into them in the middle of nowhere. It was just I don't know, it was just such an experience. And like, everyone was just so friendly. And they fed us warm soup and sent us with I think a bottle of gin because we had run out of alcohol at that point. And they were just like so impressed with the amount of gear that we were carrying and how far we were traveling and they're just like what the heck are you guys doing and anyways yeah it was just such an experience the whole thing was really cool

SPEAKER_03: 22:32

cool yeah well and you mentioned the amount of gear i'm ultralight is not listening to what you're talking about ultralight's not a word that played into that conversation at all

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no no we tried we really tried but didn't work

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i know my My backcountry partner is our eldest son, and we get to camp, and I go, how is it every year I can't winnow out? And I do. I swear to God, I pull stuff out of the kit, but I must be adding other things in at the same time or something. Because we get there, it's like, I know I'm getting older, but man, this stuff, I swear, is getting heavier every year. Like, what the, come on.

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Oh, I know.

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Views, Jasper, amazing, right? Like, like, what do you were you staring at your, you know, just one foot in front of the other the whole time? Are you looking around like drilling out the side of your mouth kind of a deal?

SPEAKER_02: 23:27

So a little bit of both for sure. It's hard because yeah, you have to look down at your feet so much. And every once in a while, you're like, No, I need to I need to look up and take in this incredible view. But yeah, it was, you know, being from Ontario, of course, Ontario is beautiful, but like being in the mountains, you know, and then you're hiking. So you're in like the bush for a lot of it, you know, you're hiking through forest, but then you'll come out to this just like opening and it'll be this incredible vantage point and you'll just see the peaks and like the valleys. And yeah, it was just incredible. And we went past the snake Indian river and the snake Indian falls, I think it was called. And just like this blue, uh, blue water it was just so it's like you can't even imagine just how beautiful it is unless you're like they're taking it all in so so

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yeah i'm sure cameras don't don't catch the

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no yeah yeah they certainly don't yeah

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that that's it's funny because that's like everybody goes but my eyes could take it in my camera's like it's i might as well just stick it back in the back because it's exactly not even close

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yeah

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another thing just just as we head towards towards probably wrapping this up you I know you write but I don't know formats like do you do magazine articles like blog posts have you actually written a book or anything like that

SPEAKER_02: 24:51

so no I have not written a book however something that I don't know if many people know about me I like deep within my soul a goal from that I have in my life is to write a book one day and I've been thinking about it a lot lately I don't know if I have anything interesting to write about but I just so something that I really enjoyed doing when I was little and just feel like it's an easier way for me to express my you know my thoughts and like whatever but anyways um i've written articles so i've written like my my biggest article that i've done was oh my gosh i'm forgetting the the magazine i think is outside magazine anyways feature article and it was actually about that Rocky's hiking trip so it was about um our Jasper through Wilmore Wilderness hiking trip and we were I was on the cover of the magazine which was really cool like cool experience like so weird to see myself there and but I really really enjoy writing but no I'm definitely not like a I like that you said author. I was like, oh, that sounds nice. But no, I don't think I would consider myself an author. But I've written a few articles, we'll just say. We'll put it that way.

SPEAKER_03: 26:06

I think it classifies. I think it's still, yeah. I think it's a thing.

SPEAKER_02: 26:11

Okay, thank you.

SPEAKER_03: 26:13

Cool. Well, on the note of writing things, do you journal or anything like that? Or do you have a really good memory and you can write all the things down to put in an article in a magazine?

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Oh, no.

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I don't journal, and I don't have a good memory. So that's why I say I have no idea what I would write about. It is just a dream of mine. Like, I just like, I'd love to try, you know, like, we all have dreams, right? But I'm just I don't know if it's anything that I would end up doing. And I don't know when I'd find the time. I feel like I need a lot of like, quiet time to myself to actually write anything down. But I dream of writing about like just my experience with Wesley, for example. Um, and then, you know, a few different things, but I, it feels kind of, I've never really admitted this out loud if I'm going to be honest with you. Um, but yeah. Yeah, no, I don't have a good memory. And I don't journal, which is something that I want to do is journal. I think I've written maybe half a page of a journal once. And, but I wrote a lot when I was little, like I really was into poetry. And I really enjoyed writing short stories and stuff. But it's just something that I haven't done in years and years, aside from these articles, which I really enjoyed the opportunity to do that. But yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 27:31

So you've got a big Yukon trip coming up and anything else planned as far as adventures?

SPEAKER_02: 27:38

No, so actually I'm not going on the Yukon trip, unfortunately. It's just going to be guided by up north. But no, we don't have anything major planned right now because we're going to take the summer off and we bought a cottage earlier this year. We've only been able to get up there. Well, I went up once. Jim was able to go up last week just to kind of close it up for the winter. But our plan is to try to go up and spend... most of the summer up at that cabin for, um, for next year and just kind of dial it back on the big stuff. Jim might go and do his, like a big solo trip. But, um, for me, I think I'm just going to kind of take it easy and enjoy our cabin, which would be nice

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and stuff. Yep.

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Yeah.

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Like, I, I mean, speaking as our, our kids are 20 coming up on 23 and 19. So, um, you can't ever go back and get that time back and hang with them again. So I, yeah, do it. Do it. Silk it up. Silk it up when they're small. Yeah, for sure. Well, you know what? Thank you very much for coming and having a yak with us. And I'm looking forward, you know what? I'm going to try to actually bump into you at the Hamilton Adventure Expo because I will be there for that. Oh, and so... What goes in, have you done a bunch of presenting or what goes into prepping for this?

SPEAKER_02: 29:07

I haven't done a bunch. I did a couple years ago with Jim. So Jim and I did it together. So that kind of took a little bit of pressure off for me. I did one recently that I personally don't think I did very well. So I do want to take more time to really make this a good presentation. I'm nervous, but yeah, I'm writing. So like I'll do a bit of writing, which is nice. And then, you know, it's going to be my story. So I don't want it to be too like canned and like reading, but I do want it to flow nicely. So yeah. I'll have to start with that and then put together some photos and maybe a couple videos. It's a 30-minute presentation, so it's not super long, which is nice. But I want to... Yeah, I want to do a good job. And I'm, you know, talking in front of large groups of people is, I think, terrifying for a lot of people. So, yeah, last time I felt like I didn't really prepare as much as I should have. So, you know, a few practice runs, I think, will be good. Present in front of a couple people so that I can get some advice and tips and stuff. But, yeah, I feel like I have a lot of time to prepare for it. But, you know, time is flying. So...

SPEAKER_03: 30:26

Yep. We're yakking with a handful of people about doing a pre or a post get together for the show. And, and that literally one of my first three comments was okay, but we need to get on it now. Cause if we don't get on it now, people be off doing winter camping and, and, and poof, you know, the, whatever it is, the two and a half months between now and then are just going to be gone, man. It's good. That's, that's how it's going to work. So.

SPEAKER_02: 30:55

Oh, my goodness, yeah. It's going to fly.

SPEAKER_03: 30:57

Well, you know what? At least you've got a– I was going to say captive. That's the wrong term. The feel for this show is like just having chats with people and stuff like that. The audience for this show is going to be a bit of a different– way more sort of adventure-oriented types, if that makes sense. We're going to have all the– All the people that hang around at the Toronto Outdoor Show, all the people that hang around over by the two stages, that's going to be the entire audience. They're all going to be that kind of people. Say the word canoe and campfire and... you know, bears and that will be it. It'll be a win. Everybody be like, yeah, that's awesome. That's cool.

SPEAKER_00: 31:55

Right.

SPEAKER_03: 31:55

Don't, don't sweat it.

SPEAKER_00: 31:59

Okay. That's it for us for today. Thank you so much to our special guests, Tori Baird. And we really appreciate her time and given she's such a busy woman. And if you do want to follow her, she's on Instagram. She's on all the social media, right? Like Instagram, YouTube. Yeah. Yeah. Check, check our show notes. I will list

SPEAKER_03: 32:16

everything.

SPEAKER_00: 32:16

We'll put all the links in the show notes. And as always, you can reach out to us. We are also on all the things and you can email us. We are at hi at supergoodcamping.com. That's hi at supergoodcamping.com. And we'll talk to you again soon.

UNKNOWN: 32:29

Bye.

SPEAKER_00: 32:29

Bye.