Camping with your pets! The Kas Pack drops by for a chat!!

How do you take your fur babies on a camping adventure?

Listen in while Britt and John educate us on wrangling multiple leashes, food storage, pet first aid, reactive pets, introducing them to a canoe and so much more!

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Transcript

SPEAKER_03: 0:00

Hello and good day. Welcome to the Super Good Camping podcast. My name is Pamela.

SPEAKER_02: 0:04

I'm Tim.

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And we are from supergoodcamping.com. We're here because we're on a mission to inspire other people to get outside and enjoy camping adventures such as we have as a family. Today's guests are a couple that have a slew of fur babies and love to camp with them. They know all the ins and outs of camping with pets and document those adventures on their website, YouTube channel, and Instagram. Please welcome Dawn and Britt of the Cast Pack. Hey, nice Nice

SPEAKER_02: 0:30

to see you. Thanks for coming out and having a yak.

SPEAKER_03: 0:32

Yeah, no problem.

SPEAKER_02: 0:33

Just put my phone on do not disturb because I always forget that. All right, so you guys are certainly, for my money, you're the biggest pet-friendly, pet-oriented outdoors folks that I know of. What's the origin story? How did that come about? Did you just have a bunch of fur babies and go, we like to camp, we're going to take them with us? What's the deal?

SPEAKER_04: 0:56

So we've been camping and hiking and spending time with our pets like that. Well, my whole life, like I grew up, we used to bring the dog and the cats with us when we camped when I was a little kid. And so it was just kind of something that I naturally did. And then he actually came into our relationship with like no camping experience.

SPEAKER_01: 1:15

No.

SPEAKER_04: 1:16

John had been camping once and it was a cabin and that's what he called camping. So when I introduced him, I introduced him to camping, but I also introduced him to the fact that camping included my pets at the time. And he just kind of fell in love with being able to be outdoors with them and spend that time with them. There's something so rewarding about seeing them so happy and they enjoy being outside too. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 1:40

And there's not that many resources either. So if you go on YouTube and you try to search for like pet family travel for camping, I mean, there's a lot of, YouTubers that touch on it, but they don't go in depth for it.

SPEAKER_03: 1:55

Yeah, I think we touched on it in an episode as well about camping with our dog. But yeah, certainly not with cats. We have no experience with camping with cats.

SPEAKER_02: 2:04

Well, there's a good question. So I know I've seen you doing outdoorsy things with the dogs. Do you take the cats with you on occasion?

SPEAKER_04: 2:13

We do. So we currently have three cats. Two of them are adventure cats. They have experience going out and spending time outdoors. One is relatively new to us. She actually just joined the pack at Christmas time. Literally showed up at our cabin door here and hasn't left. So...

SPEAKER_01: 2:35

And

SPEAKER_04: 2:35

for those who don't know, we're in the middle of nowhere in a cabin in the woods. And at midnight, this cat showed up at our front door. So we tried searching for a home. Nobody's looking for her. So Thea's now joined the pack. But yeah, our two older cats have been camping with us for a long time. They each have their own preferences. Some cats do really well in the outdoors and some not so much. Jinx, our younger cat, she... You know, she likes sunbathing on the campsite. She likes being carried in her backpack when we hike, like the princess she is. But Pippin, our little diva, I think she thinks she's one of the dogs because she'll literally hike right alongside the dogs on her leash. And she just has a great time. She enjoys traveling everywhere, going out. She's flown with me. We went to Colorado for a pet event in November. She flew with me down to Colorado. She's just this little adventure jet setter who loves everything. Yeah, I

SPEAKER_03: 3:26

was curious about that. You said you had the cat on a leash. So that's how you just make sure that they don't... get lost somewhere you're while you're camping

SPEAKER_04: 3:35

yeah yeah both our cats um well the both our cats who already have experience are already leash and harness trained we're currently leash and harness training thea um in addition we do have some pens that we set up like when we're at the campsite um we have they're almost like little mesh tents that you can put out and there they have a place that they can go that we can take them off the leash if for example you know we're cooking or kicking back and reading a book or enjoying a campfire because five leashes between them and the dogs would be a lot. But they're pretty much like having dogs in that sense. Like where a dog needs to be on a leash, the cats need to be on a leash. And they wander around and respond the same as the dogs for the most part.

SPEAKER_03: 4:20

I remember this is an anecdote from way back, but having a cat and thinking, oh, it'd be great to put her in the backyard, but put her on like a harness and attach it to the clothesline and she could just, you know, wander around the backyard. Well, she put her in, seemed like the harness was secure. And she did this Houdini kind of thing where like dislocate my shoulder and I'm going to get myself out of the harness. And she did. So anyways. Oh, yeah, that's super,

SPEAKER_04: 4:44

super common. Most harnesses actually are fairly easy for them to get out of. There's no such thing as an escape-proof harness, so there is a bit of training that's involved in that, too, to teach them not to escape. We actually really, really heavily rely on the RC Pets Adventure Kitty Harness for anyone who's considering harness training. From our experience, that's the one that's the hardest for them to escape early on. So while you're teaching them, it's the most secure. And a bonus, it's Canadian. RC Pets is Canadian. So it's a great product. It's a great place to start if somebody is trying to harness train. But yeah, there's no such thing as an escape-proof harness and cats are masters of it.

SPEAKER_03: 5:23

That's good to know. It wasn't a mistake that I made with the

SPEAKER_02: 5:26

harness. How do you... I can see that it's a semi-doable thing. Five harnesses, that's a lot, man. How do you... Okay, let's just assume that that's wrangleable front country. I can't even imagine how you would do that in the back country. Like, what's that secret? How do you pull that off?

SPEAKER_04: 5:45

So the biggest thing when we're going anywhere that we have to hike into or walk into or anything is the backpacks for the cats. So we each carry a backpack, one cat in his backpack because he gets the big, we have one big cat, two smaller cats now. So he gets the big cat and I take the two smaller ones. And that way they're on your back, they're away. Or if you're carrying a pack, let's say you're carrying in your gear, you can put the cat backpack on the front But that way they're contained and you're only juggling the dog leashes until you get in and then they can still have their outside time once you're there and you're set because then you could, you know, either depending on where you're at, you could either let the dogs off leash if you're on crown land or you could secure the dog somewhere so that you can then focus on getting the cats out and letting them have some on the ground, paws on the ground time too.

SPEAKER_02: 6:33

Cool. Wow. That's a, that's a lot of work, man.

SPEAKER_03: 6:37

And how do you find, like with prey drive with both cats and dogs, like if a squirrel or a chipmunk or something's nearby, do they not like... I know they're on leash, so they can't obviously go too far. But still, it must be difficult to wrangle. I find even just here in the city on the leash with our current dog, she's got a stronger prey drive than our previous one had. But she would go after something.

SPEAKER_04: 7:00

There's definitely some additional training involved with that. We have actually one of our dogs is a German Shepherd Australian Cattle Dog. So his need to herd the second something moves is very strong. So there's been a lot of training, even to be able to coexist in the house of cats. There was a lot of training involved early on with him because he's just instinctually, he sees movement and that means work. Right. On the same note, kind of foot there's also training involved with the cats to teach them that you may see and want to watch the squirrel or watch the bird uh but you can't just go take off after it and cats actually train very similar to dogs if you do um positive reinforcement with treats and responding that way

SPEAKER_02: 7:47

interesting i would i would have just assumed because cats can be What's a non-swear word? Goofs. They would be more difficult to train because they're generally, yeah, I don't care too bad. I'm doing whatever I want to do. More indifferent to what you want. Yeah, there you go. Indifferent, yeah.

SPEAKER_04: 8:08

They are definitely a little harder to train. Some cats are different than others. Yeah, yeah. Some are easier to train. Like I said, Pippin thinks she's a dog. So she responds to pretty much everything like a dog. She trains like a dog. She comes when she's called. She plays fetch.

SPEAKER_02: 8:29

Very cool. One of the things that I found really interesting with what you guys do is pet first aid. It hadn't really occurred to me before. We do all kinds of human first aid stuff, wilderness first aid, all that sort of training. But what's... I don't know, share some of the differences in doing pet first aid and what kind of a kit do you drag along with you?

SPEAKER_04: 8:54

Yeah, so one of the biggest misconceptions that we found was that people assume that if you have a fully stocked pet first aid or human first aid kit, sorry, that you're good for your pet. And there's certain things that just aren't going to work without some additional pet focused things. John can speak to the importance of styptic powder to stop bleeding.

SPEAKER_00: 9:18

Yeah. So if you, I mean, that's the stuff that you use for like, if you catch a quick on, if you're trimming your dog's nails, right?

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Yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 9:27

it actively like stops it um so yeah i don't think we have had an occasion in camping

SPEAKER_04: 9:34

no but you had the incident at home

SPEAKER_00: 9:36

yes yes uh our old dog dav back and i this is going back years ago uh brit was working in insurance i was working on a farm and um i decided to you know trim her nails right So then like, you know, I got her paws up and she's really good. She'll just put her hand out and it's just like clip, clip, clip, clip. And she's over and done with, right? But the one time I clipped, clipped. And then by the time I got to the third one, the first one started bleeding. And then I was like, oh. And then the second one. started bleeding and like no response from this dog whatsoever so of course i grabbed this stuff and you know just dab it in and all that stuff and basically it did what it was supposed to do right um

SPEAKER_04: 10:30

you tried the alternatives first yeah he tried the flower first so i came home from work and just to kind of speak to people about the importance of having actual styptic powder instead of the flower the flower can work however i came home from work and there was Flower everywhere and blood everywhere. Him sitting in the middle of the pile. So that's something that I mean, the containers like this big, it's not a major addition to your kit. But if your dog happens to crack nail, break a nail, even get like a little cut. That instantly stops the bleeding and their nails in particular bleed really bad if you do have a nail injury. So that's one that that we really, really heavily recommend everybody add. The other thing I would I would encourage everybody to add to their first aid kit that most people don't think about is just a basic bandana. And it's because it can serve so many purposes for a dog. You could use it to hold bandages in place because it's not like a human bandage. You can't just stick it on. There's fur there. Fur makes that ineffective. So the bandana helps to hold that in place if you happen to run out of or not have vet wrap or vet bandages. It can be used as a sling. It can be used as a makeshift muzzle because even the nicest dog might snap if they're in pain. It can even be used as a makeshift collar. If the collar gets broken in an emergency, you can wrap it up and tie it as a collar. So that's one thing that's really, really small, but really, really important.

SPEAKER_03: 12:05

Yeah, very versatile to be able to use that for so many things. And certainly I've had those things happen. I've had a leash break. I've had, uh, I've had a dog that was bleeding and we had to try to keep the drug from bleeding. And I've, I've nicked a nail before too. And so I know you're, I know you're paying time with it. I think every parent has

SPEAKER_04: 12:23

nicked a nail at one point or another. Oh,

SPEAKER_03: 12:27

and I, I cried. Like I just, I felt so awful that I had done

SPEAKER_02: 12:31

that. Okay. So I'm, I keep thinking of like, I watch a lot of your, your social media, uh, And I see, you must not always take the entire brood. Like there must be times, because I'm sure I've seen, I'm sure I've seen, or maybe it was older stuff, but I know I've seen just you and the dogs out. Do you occasionally leave the cats, like I said, if it's a short trip or how does that work out?

SPEAKER_04: 13:00

Yeah, we have a few different ways that we decide who's going and when they go. When it comes to trips that involve a longer drive, like when we headed up to Lake Superior, we tend to leave the cats at home with a sitter just because Jinx doesn't do very well on car rides. And she also doesn't like being alone. So Pip stays with her just to, you know, give her that companionship while we're gone. Versus if we go to a closer by park, then it's easier to bring the cats because you're not pushing it. Anything over about a four hour drive is a no go for Jinx. She'll start to panic. And that's kind of an important thing to remember, too, if you're considering bringing your pet is understanding their limits and being okay to work around those limits. The other thing that we do that is really important to us is to do some one-on-one trips with some of the pets. So, for example, last August, I actually had my nieces came to stay with me, my little nieces, and we took just the cats. And it was just nieces, the cats, and I out on a trip. And like this April, I'm going to be heading into a backcountry site for Lucifer's first time backcountry, my little guy. So he's only done frontcountry to this point. We've only had him for three years, and part of that was COVID. So he hasn't had a chance to get out and learn kind of the ins and outs of true backcountry. He's done like walk-in sites and, you know, that kind of halfway measure. So he and I are taking a week at Killarney and just going out and enjoying that, just the two of us. And that's also important for bonding. Cool.

SPEAKER_02: 14:31

Where in Killarney?

SPEAKER_04: 14:33

We're doing the backcountry hike in right on the La Classe Trail.

SPEAKER_02: 14:37

Oh, cool. Nice. The hiking that I get is usually with a canoe over my head.

SPEAKER_04: 14:44

It's a poor time. The canoe thing was really great with our older dogs. They were both really awesome in the canoe and we could canoe into sites. lucifer is determined he needs to eat the paddle we're still working on that um but in his attempt to eat the paddle as we're paddling that tends to shake the canoe a little bit and i worry a bit about gear and we haven't actually introduced willow to the canoe yet because we just got her last june that's our big anatolian and she was afraid of water at first so we've gotten her past her fear of water now now she'll go into water and hang it at the beach um but now that we've kind of crossed that bridge we're moving on to the next one of introducing her to a canoe this year

SPEAKER_02: 15:22

Cool. Yeah. I mean, I've seen, you know, sort of like Dennis Rogers, he takes his dog one in the canoe with him and there's, there's other people that do the same thing, but it's one. Like, I don't know. I don't know that I've ever seen anybody try to take two or more. Like just, I would, I would for sure be.

SPEAKER_04: 15:43

Our older two were amazing. When we had Dav and Indy and we used to travel with Dav and Indy, Dav just liked to sit and look around and Indy would fall asleep. He'd sleep the whole time we were paddling. We did have one canoe adventure that shortly after we got Lucifer that we took Lucifer out and it went really well. I actually have photos of the two of us and three dogs in the canoe.

SPEAKER_01: 16:04

Yikes.

SPEAKER_04: 16:05

But that's also when we discovered that he likes to try and eat the paddle and realized that we needed to kind of take a step back with him on that. And luckily, it wasn't a paddle inside. It was just like an introduce into the canoe, take the canoe out in the lake. So we weren't worried about gear getting tipped in the process. But that's also an important step to consider for anyone who's considering taking their pet is don't go out the first time in the canoe with all your gear because you're probably going to regret it.

SPEAKER_03: 16:31

Well, I know with our previous dog, we went on a back country trip last fall and he was a little restless in the canoe, but I think it was, he was thirsty and he kept kind of wanting, cause the water's right there. So why can't I just stick my head over and get some water, but it would tip the canoe. Cause I don't want to get wet. That's why you can't.

SPEAKER_04: 16:50

Yeah. That's also a concern with Lucifer. We've had to work on, we've been doing a lot of place training with him because he's such a water lover that if we don't give him some sort of command to get him to settle down in the canoe, he's going to get wet. over the edge and he's going for a swim there's water there he's swimming

SPEAKER_03: 17:06

yeah why can't i go swimming And do you have life jackets for your pets?

SPEAKER_04: 17:11

Yes. Yes. Yeah. We're strong believers that if you're ever in a situation where you have to wear a life jacket or you need any type of safety gear, your pet does too. So we bring life jackets for actually all of the pets if they're out in the water, we'll have life jackets. Even the cats can be fit with the smallest dog life jackets or there's specialized cat life jackets you can get from a company called Surfer Cat.

SPEAKER_03: 17:32

That's

SPEAKER_02: 17:32

awesome. Yeah, yeah. I know I saw, we're going back a few years, but I remember the first time I saw Salas put out a life jacket, a pet life jacket. I was like, hey, brilliant idea. Never even thought about it. That's excellent. So I also read something about presentations, what you do presentations. How does that play out? Like you said you went... what, California at some point? And I think recently, maybe even the day after the day we're taping this, I think yesterday you were putting a presentation together.

SPEAKER_04: 18:06

Yes. So I actually work in the marketing space. I'm a digital marketing, specifically SEO. So Google and how to make sure that your business is found on Google specialist. And because of that, I made a lot of connections kind of all over the world. which grew as we started taking our actual pet related business seriously, because I already had all these connections to kind of take that step. So I do a lot of traveling because I do a lot of talking about the marketing side of things. But also because I am somebody that people tend to come to for the reactive dog side of things. So there's been a really bad misconception for a long time that reactivity is aggression and they shouldn't be allowed in public. And I've made it my mission to get out there and share what reactivity is truly, which is just an overabundance of emotion. And it can be fear, it can be anger, but it can also be excitement. A dog can be reactive because they're just so excited at the sight of people or dogs. And to also try and share with people how to include even a reactive dog in their travels safely and responsibly. And that's what I was talking about yesterday in an online symposium.

SPEAKER_03: 19:22

So how do you?

SPEAKER_04: 19:24

The biggest thing is just to know their limits, know their triggers and take steps to try and create a safe place. So, for example, when we're camping and hiking, Lucifer, he came to us from a really bad abuse situation. It's just a young pup. He was four months old. and had some severe injuries from his past. So he's afraid of people, specifically men, any man he doesn't know. So when we're camping, we have to set up our campsite to make sure we block any visuals so he feels like that is his safe place. Sometimes we can do that by setting up our tents in a way that creates a barrier. If that doesn't work, we can always put up a bit of a tarp wall. He's fairly small, he's only 30 pounds, so it doesn't have to be a really tall tarp wall. It can even be just a short thing that's tall enough for him. um and through commands you can help to mitigate that when you're on the trails things like look can draw his attention away from catching a trigger in the distance or leave it can tell him to disengage with the trigger um a lot of counter conditioning introducing a trigger at a distance while giving treats and praise and encouraging him for being calm even though that triggers at a distance and the big thing that I think needs to be talked about more in the pet space is muzzle training. Muzzles have this really bad stigma for some reason. And I don't understand why, because it's no different a tool than a collar or a harness or a leash. If you introduce your dog to a muzzle very carefully and casually, you can create a positive experience with it. Like when we pull the muzzle out, Lucifer gets excited. We have a custom vinyl muzzle from Mia's Muzzles. And when we pull it out, he gets excited because he knows it means adventure time. And anytime that we know that we're going on a trail that is a little bit more popular and there's any risk that we might be in like a narrow part of the trail with people he doesn't know, I always make sure he's muzzled because if he felt he was cornered and he had to defend himself, he's never landed a bite on somebody or tried to land a bite on somebody. But I know that the risk is potentially there and it's better to just be prepared and put those safety measures in place before something happens.

SPEAKER_02: 21:26

Yeah, that sounds like a smart move. Yeah. All right. social media time tell us about all your content creation and your amazing facebook group

SPEAKER_00: 21:35

okay so uh the facebook group's been around for a few years um and we're just under 25 000 members active members um which is that

SPEAKER_02: 21:50

that's

SPEAKER_00: 21:51

crazy crazy there we also do have the uh camping and hiking ontario cats group as well which i mean there's not that many people in that one but it's growing um but uh yeah uh youtube youtube is our uh we just started doing that like a couple years ago um we just released a video about rasul and Probably this week we'll be releasing a new video for Fairbank.

SPEAKER_04: 22:22

Yes. So we also have a blog where we do written content and it's educational content largely for people who are interested in trying to learn how to camp with their pets or who maybe want to try different experiences or taking it to different levels, tips and tricks. And that's the Caspac.com. And that's also kind of like a central hub for us. So if you go to the website, it will lead you out to all of our socials, which includes Instagram and TikTok, where we share little short videos as well, just showing what it's like to be out with pets and offering tips and tricks and advice for people who want to include their pets in their outdoor adventures.

SPEAKER_03: 22:59

Cool. And you're a big advocate for rescue, I see, too, from your website.

SPEAKER_04: 23:04

yes yeah all of our pets are rescue pets um while i don't condone breeders or breeding i do believe there's a space for that um for the average family pet i think there are so many incredible pets out there in shelters and rescues that are looking for a home and they have so much love to give like all of ours have either come from a rescue organization or like the case of thea got rescued in a different way um she never made it into a rescue organization but if we didn't keep her she would have because she had been dumped and um needed a home so like these are amazing incredible trainable well-behaved pets that have so much love to give and can be the perfect adventure buddy

SPEAKER_03: 23:47

well we can speak for that for ourselves that we rescued a a dog in November from Toronto Animal Services. And she came to us very, very uncertain, very afraid, like every little thing scared her. She was cowering. We assumed she'd been abused in her previous

SPEAKER_02: 24:06

home. She was abused by a man, for sure. Because as she started to open up, she bonded with Pamela way sooner than me. I mean, I tend to be a talk with my hands kind of guy. And she would just cower, get down on the ground, she was terrified of me it almost made me cry it was just it was so so so saddening to see that that that

SPEAKER_03: 24:29

she'd been mistreated so badly

SPEAKER_02: 24:31

yeah and then yeah

SPEAKER_03: 24:33

so anyway she's a wonderful dog and as you said she's trained up beautifully she she we've had no issues she's a wonderful sweet Sweet nut bar. Sweet nut bar.

SPEAKER_04: 24:45

She's hit the jackpot having such a loving home that'll take her out and help her adventure and spend time and give her that opportunity.

SPEAKER_03: 24:53

Well, we kind of feel like we hit the jackpot. That's our first experience with rescuing a dog. And it just felt like, wow, I didn't know it could be such a good experience. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04: 25:03

Yeah, they are such incredible, incredible pets. We got Lucifer actually from Tennessee. And like I said, he came from a questionable situation down there. And he was only four months old, which is just heartbreaking that at that young an age, he was already that afraid of people because what he had been through. And then after we unfortunately had to say goodbye last year to both of our senior pups, who were also both rescues, we recently rescued Willow from a local rescue. And she was once a Turkish street dog. and then got brought over to Canada, and now she's living the high life here at the cabin as a spoiled daddy's girl.

SPEAKER_03: 25:41

Yeah, that's awesome. Yeah, I read your story about Lucifer, and that was just heartbreaking. I cannot imagine anyone doing things like that to a dog.

SPEAKER_02: 25:50

Don't make me sad. I don't like this. All right. All right. How about tell us a story? Tell us a camping story that went, phenomenally well or was it absolute disaster and you got to learn a bunch of things?

SPEAKER_04: 26:07

Do you want to tell them about the time you tried to introduce Lucifer to the canoe and he dove off the edge as soon as you got Dab in?

SPEAKER_00: 26:19

Let's see. Actually, that's...

SPEAKER_04: 26:22

Oh, tell them about when you took Dab and Indy hiking at

SPEAKER_00: 26:27

Lake Superior. Okay, so... this was our big Lake Superior trip. She took Lucifer out on a trail. I forget which

SPEAKER_04: 26:38

one. We went on the big Nokomis trail.

SPEAKER_00: 26:40

Yeah. And I took the older two on, I forget what trail it was, but it was more of like a casual type of thing. Right. Anyways, I got the two older dogs and there's these various lookouts on this, on this trail looking on the water. And so then like, I got the two dogs, go check out this view, and take a couple pictures, and turn around to get back onto the trail, and Andy bumped into Dav, and Dav fell into the water, and she was, like, it was probably about, I mean, for me, I'm 6'3", so it was probably about waist deep for me, but for her, I mean, she was, like, neck down, so... Of course, you know, I actually had to like they have harnesses and thankfully the harnesses actually have like a handle on them. So I just go in there and just yank this 70 pound dog out of the water as fast as I could. And yeah, she was just like, yeah, well, whatever. No big deals.

SPEAKER_04: 27:47

He says she was knocked in, but I know from previous hiking trips that this dog has been known to try to jump off boardwalks. She was always a problem with that. She believed that, kind of like I said, Lucifer is like, there's water, I get in. Well, Dav believed, there's water, I get in. And in that trip, for kind of context, she's 15 years old. Yeah. And even at that age, she's like, there's water, I get in.

SPEAKER_00: 28:13

which when we got back to our campsite we basically you know just put her right back into the water where it was actually not marsh water it was like superior water so yeah

SPEAKER_04: 28:27

i think she kind of won in the end because she got to not only play in the muddy water she wanted to play in but then we got back to our waterfront campsite and she got to play in the lake And then when she was done playing in the lake and rinsing off, she got to dry off by the campfire. So she lucked out. But yeah, she even the really well behaved ones and 15 years old, you'd think she'd be calm. And no, she's still deciding when she needs to go in places and not always listening.

SPEAKER_03: 28:54

It reminds me of taking our previous dog in a paddle boat at Ontario Park. So we rented a paddle boat over there. He was sitting on the back and I think he slipped off the back right into the water he had his harness on so it's similar to you john just like reach down grab by the harness

SPEAKER_02: 29:13

but he wasn't 70 pounds

SPEAKER_03: 29:14

no he was not 70 pounds

SPEAKER_04: 29:15

yeah we've used the harness a couple times the lucifer too because he'll just like right off the side of a boat or a kayak or a canoe and like even the the life jackets have handles on the back and there's it's a good thing now luckily with him he's only 30 pounds he's a smaller pup but he gets lifted back into the boat quite often. We're still working on that one.

SPEAKER_02: 29:41

It would be boring if there wasn't a challenge, right?

SPEAKER_04: 29:44

Yeah. Exactly. And I mean, just like us, they have their personalities and their preferences too, right? So you're kind of working with their personalities, whereas one dog, Indy, for example, used to get into the canoe and just sleep the whole time. lucifer is like on high edge like i must eat the paddle i must i must go swimming and so that they all bring their own kind of unique flavor to your adventures too

SPEAKER_02: 30:07

cool well i'm i'm i'm i'm glad i i tripped across your stuff because it's it's not something we have done a ton i mean our previous uh farley would go front country camping with us but he could care less like he just he was a

SPEAKER_03: 30:21

bit of a diva he'd sit in the car a good good deal of the time while we were camping

SPEAKER_02: 30:25

yes yeah Or lay in the dirt. That was it. That was it for him. He didn't want to know. I'm hoping our new fur baby is more adventurous. Looking forward to getting her out and doing some, well, maybe some backcountry. We'll see.

SPEAKER_04: 30:43

Well, we're looking forward to seeing you share as you get out with her more and see how that goes for you.

SPEAKER_02: 30:49

Yeah. Well, I mean, your idea of... don't do it with a canoe full of gear. I will remember that because I don't want to be wet and watching gear sink to the bottom of the lake. Not that I don't have enough extra gear to replace it, but

SPEAKER_04: 31:05

whatever. The first time we took Dav out, she completely collapsed the canoe because she got excited about the sight of a duck. So We're very strong advocates for introduce them to the canoe first and then add gear to the equation.

SPEAKER_02: 31:20

Yep. I don't think I'll forget that. If I do, I'll let you know.

SPEAKER_04: 31:26

I think for me, the biggest thing that we hope to get out by putting all of the information out that we do is that while it may change your trip a little bit, it might involve a slightly different setup or slightly different gear or slightly different considerations of what you're doing while you're camping. There is something so rewarding about sharing your adventures with these pets that hold such a special place in your heart and in your life and being able to see them, you know, happy and hiking and swimming. And it's just it's such a rewarding experience that those minor changes or those little things we need to learn along the way are so worth it. It's so worth taking the step.

UNKNOWN: 32:07

Awesome.

SPEAKER_03: 32:08

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SPEAKER_01: 32:46

Bye.