Laughter and Adventure: The Casual Camping Podcast Brothers

Meet Tim and Ade, the charismatic British brothers behind the Casual Camping Podcast who have built their show on authentic outdoor experiences and infectious laughter. When they joined us, we discovered how their weekly phone conversations about camping gear and adventures naturally evolved into a podcast—now in its third successful season.

What makes their approach unique in the outdoor content space is their commitment to keeping camping accessible and fun. Unlike many gear-focused channels, Tim and Ade prioritize light-hearted discussions that celebrate the joy of outdoor experiences. Their no-sponsorship policy allows them complete freedom to share honest opinions about equipment and destinations. As they jokingly shared, if you skip forward 10 seconds repeatedly through any episode, you'll essentially create a laugh track—a testament to the genuine brotherly banter that forms the heart of their show.

Our conversation revealed fascinating contrasts between UK and Canadian camping cultures. While Canadians enjoy Crown Land camping with remarkable freedom to explore wilderness areas, UK campers face significant restrictions with limited wild camping opportunities and private ownership of many waterways. This led to enlightening discussions about how we adapt our camping styles to our environments—from Tim's beloved three-meter bell tent (his "one-man tent" complete with wood-burning stove) to Ade's enthusiasm for winter camping with modern amenities.

Both podcast teams shared personal insights about what makes camping special: the community that forms around campfires, the balance between adventure and comfort, and knowing your personal limits when planning trips. Whether you're new to camping or an experienced outdoor enthusiast, there's something refreshingly genuine about their approach that reminds us all why we seek these connections with nature and each other.

Ready to get inspired by authentic outdoor conversations? Follow Casual Camping Podcast on your favorite platform and join their active Facebook community where members share their own adventures and tips. Then grab your gear, gather some friends, and create your own camping memories—because as both our podcasts agree, the outdoors is for everyone, not just hardcore adventurers.

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Chapters

• 0:00 Meeting the Casual Camping Podcast Hosts
• 7:31 Origins of the Podcast
• 16:29 Creating Light-Hearted Camping Content
• 22:01 Interview Experiences and Guest Episodes
• 29:49 Favorite Camping Styles and Equipment
• 35:14 Car Camping and Comfort Outdoors
• 42:07 UK vs Canada Camping Access
• 49:53 Wild Camping Restrictions in England

Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:00

Hello and good day. Welcome to the Super Good Camping Podcast. My name is Pamela.

Speaker 2: 0:04

I'm Tim.

Speaker 1: 0:04

And we are from supergoodcampingcom. We're here because we're on a mission to inspire other people to get outside and enjoy camping adventures such as we have. Today's guests are two brothers from the UK that love all things camping related. With the shortest introduction ever, please welcome Tim and Ade from Casual Camping Podcast. Hey, welcome, hello.

Speaker 3: 0:24

Hello, thanks for having us.

Speaker 1: 0:26

Thank you, oh, thanks for coming.

Speaker 2: 0:28

Yeah, cool. So I actually have no idea how I heard about you guys in the first place, but I remember it was pretty early on. You were within a few episodes and I went, hey, cool, that sounds interesting. And then you guys are just like clowns. You crack each other up all the time. So it was a really fun listen because you literally spend almost 50% of the time just laughing, which is fabulous At any time. Right, it's always a good feeling of things and it's obvious you're both passionate about getting outdoors and doing all the things. So tell us what. What got you into it? Well, sorry, I should mention your brothers for starters. Um, what got you into what? What got you into camping? And then, how did you go? Hey, we should do a podcast about this gosh, the two big questions.

Speaker 4: 1:25

So I'm I'm tim and uh, and the this one that will speak now is aid hello it's probably easy if we do that the other way around.

Speaker 4: 1:43

So so, if I give a bit of a bit of a, a quick, um, quick sort of history of the podcast really, and then, and then we can dive into why, why camping, because that's, that's probably a much longer conversation. Um, okay, we're just two brothers who, um, we've been doing this now we're in our third season and, uh, we before we did this, we just weren't speaking to each other often enough and when we did, we were just always talking about camping and camping adventures. We've been on camping adventures, we wanted to go on bits of camping kit, we bought and and we just kind of said, you know what, why don't we do a podcast? And we just talk about camping and um, and, and we started doing it. But that enabled us. You know it meant that actually we had to, we had to speak to each other every week and you know that just kept kept us close in contact and kept us, kept us together really and and um, and here we are in our in our third year and we're still putting out show every week.

Speaker 4: 2:49

We take, you know, we finish. Our season kind of goes from the first, first um week of February to the first week of December. So we take the rest of December and January off and and relax and then we, we start again. We don't stop camping then because we, we do camp 12 years, uh, 12 months of the year. But, um, but yeah, this, uh, that's kind of the the history of the podcast. We, we, we're not sponsored, we don't do paid partnerships. We just like to shout out really quality gear and quality campsites and places that we've been um, and we think that not being sponsored means we, we just maybe have a little bit more integrity than than other other things.

Speaker 3: 3:30

It's um, but uh, but that's that's it in in a, in a nutshell, I suppose yeah, I think tim's been a little bit modest there, so he was the driving force between, uh, to start with, to say we should be recording this, because we did come off the phone every week just laughing about what we'd done, or as only brothers do. You know each other very well so you can take and rib the other one a little bit more, and I think we both do that very well to each other, and you know it always came away quite uplifted that I've spoken to my brother and we've also gone through all of those things that we both have a love for, like I say mainly gear, and where we're going camping and who you're going camping with and what kind of site it would be. Um, which is something that we've been doing for 20, 30 years. We, um, we realized that we came to camping late. Uh, we weren't taken as children, like I think some other people were. Uh, which I've come to realize.

Speaker 3: 4:39

Uh, depending on how you were taken as a child, whether or not it was done, well, some people love it, some people hate it and, yeah, for everybody that we speak to goes oh no, I don't like camping. It reminds me of family holidays years and years ago and, yeah, we out having that peace that you know you've got to put yourself out there in order to have those sunrises or that campfire moment and those things. So, yeah, really, that's kind of what we talk about. And now that we're in our third season, it's about sort of that content of how do we progress it, how do we, you know, make it interesting not only for us, because I think we can yak away quite happily about what we're doing and what we might spend our money on or what we're updating our gear with. But, yeah, keeping it interesting for our listeners, as well as being quite light-hearted, being really positive, but having a laugh is probably the main thing that we want to do.

Speaker 4: 5:56

Yeah, there's a lot of shows out there and there's a lot of people on YouTube and on social media where they do like deep dives into pieces of equipment and they're great and I watch those, we both watch those. But that's not us where you know it's. We like to keep it light. You know, the reason it's called casual camping podcast is because we like to keep it light-hearted. You know we are well, suppose you could jokingly call us experts in, uh, in what, in experts in what we do, I suppose.

Speaker 4: 6:31

But, um, but it, you know, we've got a lot of gear. We we've, we, we were adding up the other day how many tents each of us have and and the different ways that we can go camping at different times. But, um, but actually, you know, we like it to be light-hearted and the show is light-hearted and and, as aid says, you, you can take the mick out of, out of each other in in only the way that brothers can, and uh, and we hope that comes across we, we get good feedback from listeners, so, um, so I think what we're doing works. We certainly can't do it any other way, can we aid?

Speaker 3: 7:06

well, no, I think one of our listeners did say to us if you press the forward button for like 10 seconds jump, 10 seconds jump, all you've got is a show of laughing yeah, you know if you, if you need to raise a smile, I think that's uh, that's a good thing.

Speaker 3: 7:29

And you know we we have had some great experiences, uh, over the years. I think we're having some great experiences with doing a podcast. Uh, it's quite a niche area. It's not something there wasn't an awful lot of when we were looking at them. There wasn't an awful lot out there, um, and yeah, you know it's um. We're not going to be able to give up our day jobs, I don't think, but we are enjoying what we do and having that bit where we're not sponsored.

Speaker 3: 8:03

I think those early episodes I was uh mentioning quite a lot I had to tell you to stop asking so if you'd like to sponsor us um, and then really afterwards it, we started to realize that our unique perspective is that you, without putting yourself in somebody's category of you, have to talk well about their, their gear, their site or product or whatever it is we can. You know, we've set ourselves some rules. We're positive about things. We don't want to just, um, disparage something. You know somebody's probably uh hard-earned sort of effort to go on there. But yeah, we want to try and be positive about it, we want to have a laugh and, yeah, hopefully keep it interesting yeah, same to your point about uh wanting to be sponsored.

Speaker 2: 9:03

There there was. There was a time where it's like, come on, somebody's got to sponsor us, come on. And also with the not giving up the day jobs, you wouldn't be able to do your podcast because it's far too expensive to buy all that gear, to buy the nice microphones, to all that sort of jazz. Like yeah no, I actually have to do my day job in order to be able to do the podcast totally totally, totally I think I am.

Speaker 4: 9:29

I came across your show, um, when I was researching camping podcasts, um, at the point when we were, we were coming on and, um, I listened to. You know, there's not a huge amount of camping podcasts out there. There's a few, it is, it is niche um, but I, I got listening to your show and of all the ones I listened to, um and I'm not just saying this yours is the only one that survived, uh, this long and I I've stayed with you, I know I know, I know I can't help it.

Speaker 4: 9:55

It is actually true, though it is actually true all the other ones have died by gone by the wayside because they, um, they were just a bit boring really and uh, and I love your show because it's just, it's just a really gentle show about, about getting out in the outdoors and and and being out, you know, properly outdoors you guys, you guys do it properly, you do expeditions and stuff like that compared to what we do, but, um, but the way you talk about it is just, it's just really it's a really gentle way of talking about camping and it's it's a it's a good listen.

Speaker 2: 10:29

We appreciate that man, it's the it's. That's why we do that sort of you know, 30, 45 minutes episode sizes. It's somebody, I guess, once told us that it was it's a snackable size and that's kind of what of what we want to do. I don't want people having a nap because we've been droning on for ages and ages and ages. It's like here's some cool stuff, here's some cool people. Do the things I don't get, as you guys do way better. Sort of gear reviews because you dive into what works for you, why you bought that piece of gear. Reviews because you dive into what works for you, what, why, why you bought that piece of gear, what, what it was missing in your kit in the first place, and then, and then how it, how it has played out. So I like that about yours. Uh, I did have a question. I, to the best of my knowledge, I don't listen to every episode of anybody other than us because I have to edit it. To the best of my knowledge, you've only had one guest and it wasn't terribly long ago.

Speaker 4: 11:38

It was the fellow from Greenland, yeah, hugh Thomas, who joined our, so we're on Facebook. And then, and then on facebook, we've got a, a, um, casual camping podcast facebook group and he some, which is great, by the way, just saying thank you very much, thank you, fabulous engagement, it's good, it is great engagement on there. It, um, it is brilliant. But somebody else invited him to the group telling him they thought he should join this, this group, and um, and he started putting pictures of his adventures on there. So I just private messaged him and said your pictures are amazing. Who are you, um, what do?

Speaker 4: 12:13

you do, and thankfully he was like, he was quite engaged and uh, and after a few few messages over a few days, I just said do you want to come on the show? Because we're never going to go aid and I are never going to go to the arctic and camp. You know we're never. We're never going to do that. You know we would love to do that, but the opportunity we'd love to do it, but yeah yeah, realistically, there's an awful lot in the way to to actually do yeah but but isn't that what youtube's about?

Speaker 3: 12:41

you know that you can sort of get your fix of somebody. You know you can see the ups and downs. I'm watching somebody, uh, ab, camping at the minute, who's just done six episodes in Alaska, and you know, just seeing what somebody has to go through to do that, and I was like, yeah, great, I've done that in the comfort of my own home. I like to get out there, but you know either funds or other things that are prohibited for some of those things. So it's piggyback along and watch what other people are doing and get ideas and see their kit, and it inspires me to go shopping, which it really shouldn't do, but you know, and just things that might make that next experience, whether that's by yourself or or with other people, better. You know, I think that's the thing. It's.

Speaker 3: 13:36

Um, I was listening to one of your uh. You were saying to tim on uh, one of the recent episodes that you know how to do. Um, uh, all the fire lighting and stuff. You just choose not to uh when you and I think you know that. Similarly, you know we have blow torches. I do like to uh, you know how to do all the other things.

Speaker 3: 13:57

But you know actually, when needs must, it's cold, you're hungry, let's get the blowtorch on it, just those things. So so yeah, we've got some idea and we've got gear, where I think somebody was saying to uh, you know, recent camping one, all the gear and no idea. I was like I think we've got some idea yeah, I think I think we, we, we pretend.

Speaker 4: 14:23

A good pretend, I suppose, is uh, is you know we, uh, we, we do know how to light fires and we need to. We know, we know, certainly know how to use all the kit that we've got. It's um. But going, going back to your point in um about guests, um, so, hugh, uh, hugh was our recent guest, but, um, we've done a, we've done a few, haven't we ate?

Speaker 4: 14:45

we, um, we had yeah we had lee donald who, um, uh, went up mount everest 12 exactly 12 months ago. Um, so she, she's from aberdeen, uh, in scotland, and she, uh, we followed sort of her journey. We actually had a GPS tracker link so I woke up. Bizarrely enough, I woke up at about half past one in the morning and her GPS tracker was on the top of Everest, and it's just like crazy. And then two weeks later she came on the show, which was brilliant. But yeah, we've had a few guests, we haven't had a lot, we're still I don't know. I get really nervous we're still nervous, yeah I'm quite nervous today.

Speaker 4: 15:33

You can probably tell um, we've never been interviewed. This is the first time anyone's asked us to do this, which is um, so it's uh. It's a new experience where we're used to just talking to each other and taking the mick out of each other. Adding other people into the mix requires an extra level of professionality that we might not have.

Speaker 2: 15:58

Yeah, there's also a lot of prep to it. There can be. I mean, when we do guest episodes, I write the the sort of intro bio thing. So I have to, I have to know who it is, what, what, what I have to say about them. We used to do a whole like pages of questions and talking points and stuff like that. Now. Now it's just like yeah, you know, I would hazard, we've done a hundred episodes with guests, so it's I don't need to say anymore wow wow, yeah, and I think for us we have done questions.

Speaker 3: 16:38

I think, uh, how we bounce off each other can be quite difficult when you add a third person into that that we don't necessarily know that well. So when we find that there is somebody interesting who's willing to do it, uh, then we'll put ourselves out there. But yeah, it's um, yeah, so far I think they've gone down very well. They're certainly not bombed as episodes, uh, which you you know, you you start to look at sort of trends in listening and who who's listening, where they're listening and how many downloads that week. But yeah, you know we're, we're consistent with what we do, thankfully.

Speaker 2: 17:18

Yeah, well, you are, it's but that's, but that's why that your, your listener, said you just push the 10 second and it and's a laugh track. See, it doesn't matter what episode 10 seconds that's awesome.

Speaker 3: 17:34

Do you guys find as well certain recordings? You know we we come away from them and go, oh that was a really good episode. And others where we've maybe not, we've talked and given a lot more facts and information about what we're doing and we we kind of realize, oh actually, is that different? Is that drier than our usual one? So, uh, yeah, sometimes you you question yourself an awful lot about, um, what your listeners might think, but you know, so far it seems to be working for us yeah, yes, same time.

Speaker 2: 18:12

It's a hobby, so I don't. I'm not going to lose sleep over it. We do. We do spend time discussing it in between episodes. But the actual like you recorded it's like I'm done, I'm editing that, I'm publishing that it's I'm done. It's a hobby, it's not my job, it was my job. Maybe they like nope, scrap that episode, or we're going to totally, you know, chop it up in a different way. I take ums and ahs out. I take out if I sneezed or something that's it.

Speaker 4: 18:47

Yeah, I, um, I, I do the editing and I'm the same. Actually. I edit it as quickly as I can. I take out some ums and ahs or some gaps and things like that that I've made a note of as we've kind of gone through, but otherwise I edit it, I upload it. I'm kind of done then, and so we try to record earlier in the week, early on, sort of season one and and part of season two. We we weren't quite so rigid and actually we were both incredibly busy with our day jobs and our lives. We had quite a lot going on and and often it got to sort of Wednesday evening or Thursday evening and we were recording and our episodes go out on a Friday morning 4am GMT. So it was just it always meant that's a late night, for for me I've got to edit as quickly as I can. To be honest, it's taught me to edit it was fine for me I didn't mind it, you could do all of this.

Speaker 4: 19:41

I'm sure you just don. You just don't bother to learn it so that you don't have to do it.

Speaker 3: 19:48

No habla inglese. Oh gosh oh dear.

Speaker 2: 19:59

Well, it's a good uh, the I would say technically for sure, your, your episodes have gotten better over the years. Uh, I think you know, I mean it's a, it's a learning curve, right. So you become quicker at it, become better at it. I know there was an episode where I spent I think it was just about eight hours just editing the audio. It was an hour and change episode and it was just. It was so full of extraneous noises and it made me crazy and that was the one that broke me. That's when we finished off the episodes we had in the can because we tend to record far too far ahead and I finished those off and we went on our first hiatus. That was the end of the three and a half years, something like that. It was just crazy yeah, it's too much.

Speaker 2: 20:48

It's too much. I went I'm gonna burn out and it's it's again. It's a hobby, yeah, it's a hobby I love doing it.

Speaker 4: 20:54

It's meant to be fun. It's meant to be fun. You can't, you can't, um, if it stops being fun, you've got to. You've got to stop doing we. We've we've said that if, um, if it stops being fun, you've got to stop doing it. We've said that If it stops being fun, if it becomes an arduous task that we've got to do, then you know that will come across when you're talking, it's you know. So you've got to call it a day. At the moment, you know, I turn 50 next month. I'm not sick of it just yet. You know, I think we've probably got a few more years to go before I'm sick of it.

Speaker 3: 21:27

As I'm the older brother, I sometimes get sick of him, but With age comes patience.

Speaker 2: 21:39

That's it, yeah.

Speaker 4: 21:47

It's comedy effect. It right, you're. You're the old gold retriever, I'm the young jack russell nice, nice brothers.

Speaker 2: 21:56

So you guys get out a decent amount of camping. Um, what's your favorite? What's your favorite style of camping? Meaning spring camping, winter camping? You have, you have a tent you like to use. You like to do it, you know, cooking over the fire as opposed to cooking over the butane stove or what have you stove or what have you.

Speaker 3: 22:26

Yeah, well, for, and I think it changes. It has changed for me quite recently because, uh, about two years ago I got my first canvas tent, uh, and that, yeah, I don't know what it is about it, whether it's more breathable as a fabric, but that has really changed how I view camping. So my favorite tent at the minute is a robin's prospector shanty. It's a three meter by three meter poly cotton tent. Got it really quite cheap, which is always a bargain. We're from yorkshire, so you know chasing those savings and just thought that would be different than the other tents that I've got.

Speaker 3: 23:06

Winter is certainly my favorite time. We came quite late to stoves in tents and just the difference, it extended that camping around the world. It doesn't get particularly cold here in the UK anymore, but it does mean that you can get out there and you can have a very good, nice, comfortable night in a tent. So, yeah, for me it's winter, definitely at the minute, and the use of those other other things if you put in a stove in a tent it's better to be cotton. It doesn't go, it doesn't melt in the same way that the other ones made which I've had. That experience tried it.

Speaker 3: 23:55

Tried it with a synthetic tent and, uh, there's too many sparky burns on that, so yeah, oh yeah that's booby that's an expensive lesson. It's like equipment that lets you down is dead to me after it lets you down, so I patched it and sold it.

Speaker 4: 24:12

It's got content, yeah I, um, I, I suppose you know we, we camp in all sorts of different ways and you know, last week's episode was about hammock camping. I literally tried hammock camping for the first time last weekend. It's definitely something I'm going to be doing again. I had the most comfortable night's sleep I've ever had. I thought I was going to be really uncomfortable and it would be an awkward sleeping position and my back's not great and all of those things. I have to say. I slept so well. So I will definitely be doing that again.

Speaker 4: 24:47

But Ada and I I don't know if you've got this term over there, but we class ourselves as car campers. So we load up the car and if you take in the car, you may as well fill the car, because you take in the car anyway. So we take, we take a lot, of, a lot of gear predominantly, um, I, certainly, you know I, I will fill up the car. I've bought a bigger car to put more stuff in it and put a roof rack on it, just to get more stuff. But, um, so, yeah, so we, we, we class ourselves as car campers really. So we, we can take, take as much stuff because we, we talk often on the show about. You know, camping doesn't need to be uncomfortable. You know, you, you can take a lot of comforts with you, and and by comforts, you know we, we don't do electric hookup or anything like that um, that's, that's certainly not somewhere that we're we're thinking of going down. But you, you can take a comfortable bed, you can. You can take a decent stove, you can. You know, you can make fresh ground coffee out in the field quite comfortably and, um, and you need all those sort of gadgets and toys with you to to do that with. So, um, so we load it all in the car and go off to to a campsite somewhere or campground, as you'd say, over there, and, um, and then get it all in the car and go off to a campsite somewhere or campground, as you'd say, over there, and then get it all out and stay there for a few days as a bit of a base camp. But at the same time, you know, I've done solo, you know, hiking somewhere, camping, and done that on my own and done that on my own.

Speaker 4: 26:25

My favourite tent at the moment is my. I've got two bell tents, two canvas bell tents, I've got a four metre and a three metre and my favourite one really is my three metre. I'll call it my baby bell because it's. Although it's a three metre bell tent, I class it as a one man tent. A one man because it means I can get a whole camp bed in it, which does take up one side of the central pole. I've got a wood burning stove in there that takes up another sort of third really of the tent, or you know, a quarter of the tent and then the rest of it. There is sort of a little cooking area and seating area for when the weather's bad um. But it's a it's a great tent. It also means that you know, I'm over six foot. It means I can stand up next to the pole and put my trousers on and get dressed properly and actually stand up.

Speaker 3: 27:10

I yeah, I'm getting a bit old dance come on, you have to admit you have danced in your tent I have danced in my tent.

Speaker 4: 27:23

I have danced in my tent, yeah, but uh, but I, I, you know I've taken that winter camping. You know it doesn't get as cold as it used to here, but it was minus five when I was winter camping in that and, uh, I had a. I mean, you guys, you get loads of snow here, we, we don't get a lot of snow anymore. So I I was chasing chase. For years I've been chasing a winter where we get enough snow for me to actually go camping and wake up with snow. And I did manage to wake up with a blanket of snow that morning. So it was, it was great, proper tick off the bucket list.

Speaker 3: 27:53

But um, yeah, and I'm very envious still. I think the most snow that we have ever seen really was. We emigrated to Canada when we were when I was 13, Tim was nine, spent a couple of years there with family and it didn't work out, unfortunately, but we have great memories of being in British Columbia for quite a few seasons in british columbia for uh, quite a few seasons.

Speaker 2: 28:26

So bc is gorgeous, man it's.

Speaker 4: 28:27

You can't if you're, if you're an outdoor lover, you can't go wrong in bc. It was just beautiful, absolutely beautiful. We were, um, uh, we lived in crescent beach just south of vancouver and um, just uh, I don't have a lot of childhood memories before then, to be honest, because there was just so much stuff going on in those two years and and playing with friends and and you know, particularly being on the coast, so there was just so much going on, you know, on the water, fishing or anything. They um, those two years are kind of my. My childhood memories are all kind of made up of of our time in canada.

Speaker 3: 29:01

It was, it was epic really was yeah, maybe that's the, the influence of what. Where we are now tim. Yeah, maybe because there was just some big spaces and you know, I just remember being outdoors so much, um, you know. So maybe that that's the thing of how do we get outdoors. The UK is obviously much, much smaller. I think you can fit France and the UK into just British Columbia, so there's a lot more built up. We don't have the wildernesses. The right to roam is only in Scotland have the wildernesses.

Speaker 3: 29:45

Um, the right to roam is only in scotland, uh, so, yeah, getting out there is a lot about campsites, it's a lot about meeting up with friends. It's getting that time together where you can meet up and sit around a fire and and talk a lot of nonsense and compare your setups and see what other people are doing. I think the one thing that keeps us coming back is that just the brilliant people that we meet you know people that have got a similar um outlook uh, we went to bushcraft shows last year just the amount of people that are so friendly, that are so open, that stop by and just chat, and that's getting rarer. You know people as they close down a little bit more, don't talk to their neighbors as much as they used to do and things. And yet you know we find that with the camping community our facebook group really runs itself.

Speaker 3: 30:40

People put so much on there that you know we're really really grateful for that and that is about inspiring others to get out there, and when you see somebody's out there, like this weekend, you think, right, I wish I was out. Why, why am I not camping this weekend? The weather's great, it's um, you know there's a, and I think that's the thing about trying to inspire to get out the following week or plan your next trip, wherever that is. And then some of those, like the interviews that we've done about greenland or whatever is, there's people that are doing longer things and, you know, doing more expeditions and getting out there on a longer journey.

Speaker 2: 31:20

So yeah, much as I would love to do that, that you know, huge alaska trip or or what have you I I'm not less stroud like it's, that's not. You know, I I do. I do eight, eight days with our eldest and that's that's. I'm good, you know it's. I know what my, my physical limits are. Yeah, I'm excited to do it. You mentioned the bush bushcraft show. Do you guys have a? Is it just? Do you have one show that everybody gets together at, or do you have? Are there other shows that happen out there?

Speaker 3: 31:58

there's quite a quite a few. There's one main one that thankfully, is quite uh, local to to both of us, in the middle of the uk. There are other ones that are that we've not been to really. I think that was our first introduction to it last year and it was just great to get some people that are showing really primitive skills and everything from butchering um, hunting and fire making you know the the whole gamut of it, as well as a lot of knife stalls, so that you can spend quite a lot of money if you wanted to um so all the gear is there, so it yeah.

Speaker 3: 32:39

It really ticked an awful lot of boxes and, unlike any other show festival, uh, everybody was walking around with a knife strapped to their belt, which was just really good, so, yeah it was.

Speaker 4: 32:54

It was interesting, wasn't it? It's um, it's a. It's the side of the camping community we hadn't come across before. And although we've, you know we've done lots of you know fire, you know we've I've you bought me a book eight years and years ago on multiple ways to to set fire to things and like and start fires. Sorry, not set fire to things, start fire right there's a subtle difference there um so we've been.

Speaker 4: 33:22

We'd kind of been into a bit of bushcraft without knowing we were into bushcraft really, and then just through the show actually, of meeting people through the show and some of our audience got us talking to the organisers of the bushcraft show, and then we went along and it was great actually, there are really really really quite kind and open community who have all of these incredible skills and knowledge and they just share them freely with you and they just want, want you to know what they know and uh, it's, it's quite, it's quite a cool community of people. It's uh, they, they are, they are great we found the absolute thing yep, yeah, absolutely it's.

Speaker 2: 34:06

It's the. I think everybody, well, I think I think anybody that spends time like like camping and and soaking up that experience, then becomes somewhat of a protector of of nature, of of that sort of experience. So anything that that they can do to make your experience be even better, so that you continue to protect that thing that we all love to do, I. It's a win for everybody. So that's that's kind of what I take on what, the what, the underlying philosophy of why everybody's so open, why they share all the their knowledge, and stuff like that. Yeah, if they get you excited about knives, you'll buy a more expensive one so totally yes it's on my list.

Speaker 2: 35:00

It's on my list I literally I just bought a safety knife for for on the on the uh, on my pfd.

Speaker 3: 35:08

So yeah, interesting that you say you know your limits, uh, about when, uh, what's comfortable for you, when, when you're out there, and we've spent quite a few shows revisiting that. I think one of our best shows was first time. Camping was certainly one of the uh most downloaded for us, uh, which is talking about our, our experiences of not uh, not overestimating yourself. You know, don't go right. First time I'm off camping I'm gonna go for seven days. Hella, high water, um, ease into it. You know, make sure that you've got the gear. You don't have to buy the gear. You could borrow the gear, you could go with somebody or, you know, just don't, don't sort of put yourself off before you've even started with it.

Speaker 3: 35:58

Um, and I, I think that's the thing I love, camping, but I, I know I have my limits too. You know, I'd like to experience more different ways. I'm certainly going to have a go at hammock camping, uh, but I would also, you know, know how long I can go for. And yeah, I'm sort of with you there. About seven, eight days is about my tolerance really yeah, same, same here.

Speaker 4: 36:22

And we've got a camping trip the end of this month. We're going up to northumberland, which is sort of northeast of england. There's big empty beaches there's. There's nobody up there. It's it's big sort of expansive open beaches up there and it's beautiful.

Speaker 4: 36:39

Um, I'm going with my other half, I mean we're going as a bit of a group but everybody else is kind of dropping in and dropping out and just doing a couple of nights. I'm going up with my other half and we're going to do five nights. I'm okay with that. Probably seven nights is probably my, my limit really, before I I want to go and get a proper wash and get and get cleaned. My, my other half, um, my partner, she's, she's not camped more than three nights before. So that's, that's going to be a little a little a little test.

Speaker 4: 37:08

Um, but we booked a where, as aid said, we you kind of got to camp on campsites in, certainly in england. Uh, there's no, there's no real wild camping, and so we book to book to site that, accordingly, has got, has got facilities on it, so it's, it's got a decent shower block, it's, it's got you know, hot water and you know in the washrooms and things, so that you know, I know, I know, hopefully she'll, she'll be okay with with five nights, because that's, you know, it's quite, it's quite a jump to go from three nights to five nights when she's not. She's not a big camper. She's not been camping before, um the last couple of years when we got together, so so it's still relatively new for her. She's, she's loving it, but it's um you gotta. You gotta kind of appreciate you know your own limits and not push somebody else to your limits, because I've been camping for years and and my limits are kind of honed, really, as of what I can do. But um should be a good trip though, shouldn't it?

Speaker 3: 38:09

oh, it should be, and you know she should consider herself lucky that, uh, she's joining somebody that's got all of the the gear, you know she doesn't have to go through those airbeds that you know are very thin and go down halfway through the night there's a fire in the tent, all of those things. She's come in at sort of peak level, I think.

Speaker 4: 38:34

And she did enable me to buy a four-meter bell tent as well.

Speaker 1: 38:38

So that's why I've got the larger bell tent.

Speaker 2: 38:45

That's excellent. That's a perfect way to look at it. Yeah, uh, so so there's no, we here, we call it crown land camping, where, if, if it's, it's technically it's owned by the people. The province wrangles it, but we own it, so we're allowed to camp pretty much anywhere for up to 28 days, and then you have to move it. We're actually just starting to. We've just planned a five-night trip to a piece of crown land sometime in september. So should be interesting. I, I do, I, we, we do, pamela and I do front country camping most of the time, although she did do a three day last fall, um, and she's, she's going to come out for this, the five day, this, this, uh, september. I don't, I'm not never adverse to having a shower like, but you know, and she's going to come out for the five-day this September, I'm never adverse to having a shower Like, you know, when the big kid and I are in the backcountry and we hit day four, day five, I'm going to try to be. I don't want people to be downwind of me.

Speaker 4: 39:56

I don't want them to be downwind of me. Even the bears are turning away from you going. No, it's spoiled, Exactly.

Speaker 2: 40:02

Even the mosquitoes are turning away from you going. No, it's spoiled, even the mosquitoes are turning away yeah, we, we don't really have uh crown land.

Speaker 3: 40:12

What um? What's that bit down in cornwall, devon area? Tim near x. Is it xmas?

Speaker 4: 40:22

uh, you're meaning dartmoor so we've, got we've got national parks, um, we've got a number of national parks up and down the country which are wild spaces that you have, you have the right to roam on so you can walk on um, but there's only dartmoor.

Speaker 4: 40:37

There's only one one um national park that you can officially wild camp on, and only in certain areas.

Speaker 4: 40:45

And actually it's gone back to the High Court this week or last week because Dartmoor is owned by somebody and they're actually trying to get the right removed so that they can stop anybody from camping on it, which should be a a real, a real shame, a real shame. It's um, it's come about because too many people have taken advantage of it and they've not um, you know we're big believers of leave no trace. You know if you've taken it in, you should be bringing it back out with you and sadly, too many people have taken disposable barbecues, set fire to half the land and and you and left lots of waste and there are lots of wild animals on there, lots of grazing animals on there, and I'm not surprised that it's ended up in the courts to try and close it down. I think it's incredibly sad really, particularly when north of the border in Scotland they do have the right to roam. You can camp within reason, wherever you want to not in front of a farmer's house or anything like that but you can pretty much camp wherever you want.

Speaker 3: 41:54

Yeah, you've got access to all of the beaches and things I think in England all of the beaches and things I think in in england there's only something like one third of the waterways that are open to the public, so two-thirds of them are private. Whoever owns the land either side of them, then the river's theirs. That that.

Speaker 4: 42:16

So you can't go up and down the waterways um and they were going to sorry and there were going to Sorry. I was just going to say a lot of the rivers, that you can go down the waterways. The land on either side is completely owned and you can't get out of the river. So you're allowed to pass through the land but not get out. So we're really quite restricted from that. Sorry, ed, I jumped in.

Speaker 3: 42:38

No, I think a few years ago they were doing something about it, I think, um, and then one one problem hit or another, whether that's um cost of living crisis or whatever and it just got put off the uh, the legal books, so they've not challenged it anymore. But yeah, I wish there was more free and open land for us to be able to do that, but we're dealing with a lot smaller spaces than I guess you are in Canada. For years, I've been watching a guy called Joe Robinet Joe.

Speaker 2: 43:13

Robinet yeah.

Speaker 3: 43:13

Just the way that he goes off into woodland and always been very envious of that, the canoeing and portage that it does, just yeah, just a wide open space is, um, that we we do have, but there's a, you know, there's just less of england than there is canada, so yeah, well, and I think there must be different laws We've got so you can't own a waterway in Canada, so you have passage, not an issue.

Speaker 2: 43:47

And even if the land beside it is owned, there still has to be something. I'm going to get the term wrong, but there has to be something along the lines of fair passage where if you need to get out of the water, you can get out of the water and walk along the bank or whatever. You can't, you can't get cornered into things.

Speaker 4: 44:09

We went some. We went canoeing um a couple years ago now, just just a day canoe trip um down. We were camping and we kind of went up river and you got canoes and then you spent the whole day canoeing back down to your, to your camp. The big stretches of that where there were just lots of signs saying you cannot get out of the river here. This is private land, do not get out of the river here. It's um quite unfriendly really. The river was beautiful but um and lots and lots of lots of signs where there's no, no fishing. You're not allowed to just set yourself up and start fishing or anything like that. That's true most rivers over here. Their fishing rights are really. Somebody owns the fishing rights to every metre of every river and you've got to pay them for the right to stand there and fish that bit of river. It's a different world.

Speaker 3: 45:03

I think it goes back to sort of is it field times, where there was whoever helped the king or whatever. So there's a lot of land that has been owned for generations by various people. So, um, yeah, and it's just quite closed down, um, but yeah, you know, it doesn't stop us getting out. There are some brilliant campsites. If anybody's thinking about coming to the uk, they certainly will find some beautiful, beautiful places. And scotland, wales um, I've not been over in ireland camping but, uh, maybe we should do that soon but yeah there's some absolutely brilliant places, but it is about sort of uh, those uh sites more than anything and there's a.

Speaker 4: 45:49

There's a. There's a sort of rise of something over here. You probably don't have a need for it over there, but there's. There's something called nearly wild here so, which is a type of camp, campsite, campground, where they're trying to. It's a campsite, so you've got to pay to go and stay there, but it's, it's. It's quite basic. Um, there's not a lot of, not a lot of facilities and things there and they're trying to emulate sort of those wilder spaces where you can, you can. You can camp in a bit of long grass and you can. You can feel like you're in on Dartmoor or in the National Park, but you're actually not and and it's quite nice to see that that's, that's quite a popular trend now there's, there's a lot of campsites yeah, so nearly wild is.

Speaker 4: 46:36

It's quite a big thing here in the UK and it's certainly our preferred sort of campsite campground is is trying to get it to that sort of nearly wild kind of place. That, um, that we have to go because of, because of that's. That's just what's available here in the uk don't not a big fan of going to a campsite that's got loads of facilities there are. There are sites where there's even entertainment on and and you know there's bars and things like that. That's, that's not what we do, that's not what we're doing, that's not what we're there for. It's, um, I quite like a pub if it's, you know, quite like a pub down the road or something like that, but I don't want entertainment on the site or anything.

Speaker 3: 47:15

It's uh, to be honest, adan, I, we bring the entertainment yes, yeah, who would be bored when you've got things like fire foot?

Speaker 2: 47:30

you guys have a thing for burning. You know we did yeah, well he's.

Speaker 4: 47:34

He's alter ego is pyro aid. It's um he set fire to our sisters our Wendy house, when I mean, I don't know how old you were, but I must have been about two when that thing went up, so it's like a.

Speaker 3: 47:48

I didn't burn anything down. I'm a child of the 70s. Both parents smoked, had lighters and all of the paraphernalia. I stole so many matches to just go and just like the matches and uh. So yeah, I think it's just always been there and camping is just a more acceptable way for me to be able to go about setting flyers and continue that um. They frown upon it in the middle of uh lemmington spa, where I am so all right.

Speaker 2: 48:27

All right, gentlemen, I think that's an excellent way to end. Hopefully, you don't get in trouble from the authorities at any point. That was great. I I don't, we could. We could have you back again at some point. I'm sure we could continue just talking about the, the differences between your camping versus our camping. Yeah, that that whole. You can't use the rivers, you can't like that's, you can't fish here. That's. That's insane. Well, we're I don't know, it feels like we're the land of the free, because we can do whatever we want.

Speaker 4: 49:00

You really are. You really are. I mean, you know we try not to talk about politics, but we're so restricted in this country. It's unbelievable, it's unbelievable, yeah.

Speaker 3: 49:12

Yeah, and I think it's just that how our society has come about. You know, people were gifted lands from helping the king and the various other things. It's not really changed those. Those families still hold that land from. You know, four, five, six hundred years ago, longer even, um, so, uh, yeah, so there is a big movement to try and reclaim some of that. Uh, I think in the 1920s and 30s, scotland had a that which is where their right to roam came along. Uh, people were taking back pathways and walkways and they've got more access and it was on the statute books to to revisit for us. But then various other things have happened around the world, so, um, it's just got forgotten about. But there is a movement to try and reclaim some of those and have some more open spaces where we can do. But we are a smaller country and there's quite a lot of people in our bit, so it's trying to maintain it as as best as they can. I think, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1: 50:19

Yeah.

Speaker 3: 50:20

Yeah, I think you're probably again.

Speaker 2: 50:23

It's the yes, you should. You should come visit. Make sure you give us a holler. We have canoes and stuff. We'll get you out there. We'll take you fishing because you can do that here.

Speaker 3: 50:34

Good.

Speaker 1: 50:35

Yeah.

Speaker 3: 50:36

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 50:37

That's it for us for today. Thank you so much to our guests, tim and Ade from Casual Camping Podcast. Please do check them out. They are on Facebook, instagram, xthreads, youtube and Buzzsprout, which is the same host as we use for our podcast.

Speaker 2: 50:51

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