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Wild Hearts, No Egos: Adventures Without Limits

Pamela and Tim Good Season 2 Episode 40

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Two passionate adventurers with a mission to unite outdoor enthusiasts worldwide—this conversation with CW Goetz and Maya Marzocchi from The Outdoors People Show reveals how unexpected connections can blossom into meaningful partnerships that transcend continents.

Their story begins with a t-shirt that traveled from North America to Brazil, taking three months to arrive and sparking what would become a dynamic co-hosting relationship. What makes their partnership particularly fascinating is how they complement each other—CW with his lifelong love of camping and canoeing that began in his childhood backyard, and Maya with her transformative journey from having a fear of heights to becoming an accomplished rock climber who now "feels alive" when scaling extreme heights.

The conversation dives deep into cultural differences in outdoor participation, particularly highlighting the challenges women face in adventure sports. Maya speaks candidly about Brazil's gender dynamics: "Here women need to fight three times harder to achieve whatever we want." Yet despite these barriers, she's built Brazilian Outdoor Adventure (BOA), a company dedicated to showing international visitors the natural wonders of her homeland.

What sets The Outdoors People Show apart is their focus on humans rather than just activities. As CW explains, "We get to know Maya Marzocchi through her climbing. We didn't get to know her climbing through Maya Marzocchi." This human-centered approach has allowed them to discover extraordinary stories of transformation, where outdoor adventures become vehicles for personal growth and cross-cultural understanding.

Their shared philosophy—that outdoor adventures should be free from ego and open to everyone—resonates throughout the conversation. Whether discussing CW's drum-making past (including crafting for Neil Peart) or Maya's approach to confronting fears head-on, their stories remind us that the outdoors offers endless possibilities for discovery, both of the world around us and of ourselves.

Ready to experience the transformative power of outdoor adventure? Follow CW and Maya on The Outdoors People Show, and join our community at Super Good Camping as we continue inspiring others to embrace the natural world.

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Speaker 1:

Hello and good day. Welcome to the Super Good Camping podcast. My name is Pamela, I'm Tim and we are from supergoodcampingcom. We're here because we have a mission to inspire other people to get outside and enjoy camping adventures such as we have as a family. Today's guests are the hosts of a live stream, slash podcast, slash TV show, slash radio show, and it's all about folks that are adventuring outdoors Pretty incredible adventurers at that. Please welcome CW Goetz and Maya Marzocchi from the Outdoors People Show.

Speaker 2:

Yay.

Speaker 3:

Can you hear my air conditioner? It's really hot in here, yeah.

Speaker 2:

And the three we've got running right now too.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, so 44 degrees Celsius slash 112 degrees Fahrenheit.

Speaker 2:

It's insane. It's very hot when we're recording this and sorry for the noise in the background but we're going with it.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, we're promoting noise on this episode.

Speaker 1:

It's all about our comfort, right.

Speaker 3:

Everybody's comfortable here.

Speaker 2:

If I drip on the microphone that'll be a really loud noise. That'll be the zap that happens right there, alright, so I want to know how you met and then I want to know what you guys do in the outdoor, like where your outdoor activities are, because I feel like they maybe kind of go together. I don't know.

Speaker 4:

Yeah, can we tell together? I don't know yeah, can we tell? I don't know you mean the one where you found.

Speaker 3:

You saw me on the the wall of the post office is most most wanted.

Speaker 4:

Yes, I don't know if we should share that story it doesn't sound good for us, right well, you know what?

Speaker 3:

you got your version, I got mine. It's all, good man, I'm in the protection program.

Speaker 2:

The two shall never meet, that's right so I don't know.

Speaker 3:

You probably remember the story better than I do. My go ahead, yeah yeah, um.

Speaker 4:

I found you on, um, um, on amazon, with free shipping, right, oh yeah.

Speaker 3:

And discounted by the way you were there on.

Speaker 4:

Amazon.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, no, I'm kidding, so um that means I didn't have a shirt on, I was 50% Anyway.

Speaker 4:

So yeah, I, I would never buy it anyways I wouldn't either right so yes, they.

Speaker 4:

They start actually began with cw because he always had his company CW Gats Outdoors. So he found me on Instagram and he saw my pictures like rock climbing and hiking. So he sent me a t-shirt and I really thought that he was a creepy or fake page or something like that. And then the t-shirt came to my home like three months later it was it was pretty slow, right, the brazilian, you know it doesn't work yeah it doesn't work cheapest shipping ever so three months later his shit came and I was like, oh so he's real and this company is real, he's a real person.

Speaker 4:

And then I really took like started to see his Instagram and then we started to chat, and then we became friends, and then he was interviewing me and then we were traveling around the world and then he got married with my friend.

Speaker 3:

So that's pretty much it. That was the Reader's Digest version. I like that man.

Speaker 4:

That was quick.

Speaker 3:

I can throw in a few details if you want those. Yeah, please.

Speaker 2:

Do you want?

Speaker 3:

to come up with details. Yeah, all right. So in the meantime I called her a couple and go hey, man, did you get the t-shirt? Because I follow up, you know. And she goes no, I didn't get the t-shirt. And did you send it? Did you send it, where did you send it to? And I'm like this went on for like three or four times.

Speaker 3:

I go well, hell, it's never going to get there, I don't, you know. So anyway, and meanwhile she's probably thinking yeah, this guy's a you know fake, you know. But once and then, once she got it, oh, in fact, you know what, I sent a second one. I go, I'm gonna send you one again, man, because the first one didn't get there. So I did that and I think that's the one you got. In fact, the other one, the first one came back to me another six months later. Really weird.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, anyway, brazil, get your program together down there with your deliveries, Okay. But anyway, in the meantime we had been talking, once she got her first shirt, she goes okay, you're real. And I said I got a show. You know, it'd be really cool, let's do, I would love to do like a remote broadcast in Brazil. And she goes well, you know what. It just so happens. I mean, there may have been some weeks in between this, but she said it just so happens that I have a women's climbing outing that we're going to be doing and I said yeah, great, that sounds perfect. Give me some details when's it going to be? And she said I think, give me some details when's it gonna be? And she said I'll get you the details soon.

Speaker 4:

If so, maybe a week or two later she did, and I said okay, let's do it and and I didn't know this, but she didn't take that seriously yeah because, okay, I was like so he's coming to Brazil with his co-host to stay here like for two weeks to shoot a girl's climbing in the middle of nowhere on Minas Gerais State in Brazil. Okay, sure, fine.

Speaker 3:

Well, and I called her back, I said, and I said, probably a week or so later, maybe a few days later, I said hey, look. I said um, here's our flight gets in at, uh, on whatever date it was June, whatever it was and I said we're going to be there. It'll be 10 30 AM flight and we'll need you to pick us up or we'll need a car, one of the two. And she's like wait, what you know you guys are coming.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, that's what she said, just like that. And I said, yeah, you said you wanted to do it right. And she goes yeah, but hummin' and hummin' and hummin'. I didn't think you were really good. So I had scheduled my sub-co-host, my substitute co-host from Canada, her name was Janelle Morissette. Yeah, and she said, yeah, yeah, no problem, and we, we arrived and we go ahead. When the rest you can tell us?

Speaker 4:

what we did when we got there and uh and Janelle had lots of problem, uh, buying the tickets, because I think it was the fires and the smoke. So the airports are not working, do you remember?

Speaker 3:

that, oh, do you remember they were on strike? They were on strike at the airport, remember, and they were canceling flights.

Speaker 4:

Yeah, okay, yes, so yes, in the end of the day it happened and he came to Brazil and we had a like a blast, the three of us, and we traveled to Sao Paulo City, to the beaches and this really small town in the middle of nowhere, to rock climb Right In the middle of the jungle.

Speaker 3:

Welcome to the jungle man and yes, we had a blast. Like we became like brothers and sisters, like right there a blast like we became like brothers and sisters, like right, yeah, I, you know the thing on my show where, where the co-hosts get pregnant.

Speaker 3:

Okay, I don't know what that is, but but so. So my former two, two of my three former co-hosts were pregnant and had to leave the show and one was going to school, but the other two got pregnant, had to leave the show. So, lo and behold, I called my friend from Brazil and I said hey, listen, I need a co-host, would you be interested in doing that? And again, I'm gonna, I'm gonna. And she was kind of nervous.

Speaker 4:

I was like I just need to learn English, right, because they do not speak English. So yes, let me learn, and then I can be your co-host.

Speaker 3:

Fine, yeah, it's going to be a quality year.

Speaker 4:

Yeah.

Speaker 3:

But it happened, and so pretty soon, and I tell you what Pam she, right off the bat she was a little nervous, which was, you know, normal. Oh my gosh, god, in the first, show I was shaking.

Speaker 4:

I was so nervous. In the first show I was like, oh my gosh, I am live on, live speaking english. Like that's too crazy. Even for me, rock climbing is easier than that but but she was.

Speaker 3:

She was a natural right off the bat.

Speaker 4:

I go, this is gonna work just fine man in the rest is history I had a good teacher because you rock it on patience of teaching me, of teaching me how to do that, teach me how to speak English. So you are a great teacher.

Speaker 3:

I just, I just taught you the slang words. Man, you're like sister from another mister and mother, you know brother from another mother yeah, no, but thank you well, yeah, yeah, you got to get a teacher street smart stuff, you know. But anyway, but it was, yeah, but it was, it was kind of a natural thing and we honestly clicked, I think, faster than anybody expected us to and certainly surprised both of us.

Speaker 2:

So that was cool yeah, very cool when you guys are outside doing activities, and I know you share some, but maybe not everything. What do you individually, maya, tell us what you like to do. I know it's rock climbing. I'm just gonna sit back here while you freak me out, because I watch a lot of your content. Tell me what you like to do when. When you like, is it just rock climbing? Do you like to do hiking? But what other things do you like to do when?

Speaker 4:

you're. Oh boy, I like being outside, so I don't know. I like doing everything and anything at the same time. I love hiking, of course, rock climbing, I love mountain biking, I love canoeing, so everything that I can do. I want to do Like I'm just waiting for the right time to start flying something. I don't know what exactly, but I love everything and I love being outside and I love being with my outdoors friends as well. So, house parts oh, I just started trail running as well, like mountain trail run, so I love everything cool.

Speaker 4:

Sorry, you said canoeing yes, uh, actually here in brazil I used to do uh canoeing canoeing, not not sorry uh kayaking, because it is more common. So we do that uh when I'm not up in the mountain and when I went to Cidalvo's home nearby Chicago. We can do it a lot right.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, we canoe.

Speaker 4:

Three, four times, I don't know.

Speaker 3:

Yeah.

Speaker 2:

Yeah. Is there a big difference between canoeing in Brazil versus canoeing in North America, because Chicago is not terribly different from where we're at.

Speaker 4:

Yeah, usually in Brazil I kayak in the ocean, so that part is different. And also, if we are in the river we are always in the middle of the jungle, so big trees, you know like really close by tree rivers, but pretty much the same, I don't know. Okay, cool.

Speaker 2:

CW. What's your fun in the outdoors?

Speaker 3:

Most of my outdoors experience is with hiking and canoeing and, of course, kayaking as well, Although I will say that when I was younger I used to skydive and that was fun.

Speaker 3:

Younger I used to skydive and and that was fun, but I used to drink a lot back then and I almost, yeah, almost, got kicked out of the place. They go, don't ever do that here again. And so they, you know, because I actually the problem with that was that I I didn't remember them telling the direction of the wind and because of that, you don't know, you jump out of a plane. I mean it's windy wherever you're, you know just freaking wind, right. So you don't know, and unless somebody tells you, and then you have, you know you can encompass, you, can you know? And instead of going into the wind I went against or I went with it, and then I ended up about 50 feet from the hangar, which was not where we were supposed to land, and took out three rows of corn, and they were not happy with me, but that's a whole other story.

Speaker 3:

But that was a short stint, you know that skydiving thing, but most of it's been canoeing and kayaking and hiking and, of course, camping. First thing I ever did was camping. I got a tent when I was in like 1971. I was in like first grade I think and you know, set the tent up in the backyard. You know, you stay overnight, you sleep outside overnight, and that's cool, man, I mean you're freaking outdoors, man, you know, so brave, yeah, right outside overnight and that's cool, man, I mean you're, you're freaking, you're an outdoors man, you know. But so brave, yeah, right, and uh so, but but then you know the canoe thing, and then I get into white water and um, and you know it just sort of, just sort of um, I guess uh, branched off into other things, other you outdoors things, but that's my mainstay.

Speaker 1:

Cool.

Speaker 3:

Kind of boring right?

Speaker 2:

Not at all, no, I love doing all the things that don't involve the heights, but I love doing the real stuff.

Speaker 3:

And nothing near as exciting as what Maya does, you know. So that's kind of Although I did. I tried it, though I tried it. I did it barefoot too.

Speaker 4:

Yeah, that, although I did, I tried it, though I tried it, I did it barefoot too yeah, it's true, he rocked line bed in brazil yeah, but barefoot, barefoot, yeah.

Speaker 4:

But you know something I'm kind of jealous because you guys are always like doing those long trips, like like kayak, you know, and then when you kayak and then sleep and then keep kayaking and and go like canoeing, in your case canoeing, and I really want to do that one day, because I just do that walking, so canoeing sounds so much fun, so I'm doing some of that.

Speaker 3:

It is a lot of fun. Yeah, it is a lot of fun. When you do it, you're gonna love it. And Tim Pamela, you guys, you guys do canoe trips for like a week. You know, 10 days, two weeks, something like that, right.

Speaker 4:

That's so cool.

Speaker 3:

It is right up on the top of the list of, like you know, adventure fun, isn't it? I mean, because you know you're stinky and you're sweaty and you're, you know you're beat the hell up at the end of the day, but you know what. You cook some good vittles, good food, and you sit around a campfire and you go. You know something. This is I'm having fun, I'm having the time of my life, and I don't even know how you can describe that any better than just that, and it doesn't even scratch the surface.

Speaker 4:

I think it's one of those things you have to experience it to understand it. Yes.

Speaker 2:

Am I right?

Speaker 4:

Yes, that's exactly the point. It is really hard to explain the feeling for someone who has never done, Because the words are not enough to explain all those excitement right With you when we're outdoors and with the company as well. Right.

Speaker 2:

That's the main part. Right, it's great and it's and and part of the deal is the yes, it's excitement, but it's also the peace. Yeah, yeah, quiet. You're out of the city, you're away from all the people, you're, you're, you're you and nature seeing nature, exactly, exactly it, exactly it.

Speaker 3:

But I will add that the travel partners or the adventuring partners can make or break your trip. Am I right? Oh yeah, absolutely man Hopefully you've not had the latter but yeah, I have, and I've been on some really crappy trips because of the people I was with, but yeah, I think everyone had one to learn right. Everyone had that experience.

Speaker 3:

You know, I'm sure they probably did. I can tell you this, though, and this is I don't know, maybe it was just my experience, but the dudes, the guys, were always the worst. If there were bad trips, it was the guys that were the problem, and I'll tell you what. I think it really revolves around the, or it has to do with it's egos.

Speaker 4:

You know you are not right. Sorry, you are not right. The man always. It is a problem In camping, in the city, in the work oh, not just camping, it's the whole program.

Speaker 3:

Well, and see, the thing is the men. I don't know if they feel like they have got this reputation to uphold this. I am outdoors man, I am the leader. It's like I'm going to tell you something. I've had more men um freak out on certain situations.

Speaker 4:

I don't know what it is.

Speaker 3:

But you know, I, I, I think, while women can be emotional in everyday life I see that a lot but in under stressful situations, situations they seem to keep their head better than most men.

Speaker 4:

I don't know what that is.

Speaker 3:

Does that make any sense?

Speaker 4:

Yes, I guess we know better how to handle. And for my, look my boyfriend, he has no ego, so he doesn't care and he goes like, okay, it's too hard, you go, go ahead, I'm here for you, Go girl.

Speaker 3:

Go girl like, okay, it's too hard, you go go ahead, I'm here for you, go girl, go girl, yes, yeah, and I'm kind of like the same way.

Speaker 2:

I'm like, hey, man, show me how it's done. I don't care, I'll learn. I will cheer you from down here, yeah I got nothing to prove, man, you know.

Speaker 3:

So, yeah, yeah, tim you, you do that too, are you? Are you the? You let them go. You know, like that, you're like hey, man, I'll show you from down here.

Speaker 2:

You said I I you know what, if, if? If it feels like I've got more experience and I need to lead, I'll do that. If it, if it's, if it's a teaching moment, I'm happy to step back. If it's, uh, I I'm not up to that deal, have at it you gotta.

Speaker 3:

You got any kind of fears, tim, like like you, when you guys are are tripping. You got any fears where, uh, you say nope, you know what. This one, pam, is the leader, she's she's nap. She's way better at this than I I am. Or you got a fear of something. Everybody's got a fear, man, tim.

Speaker 1:

You gotta have one man see he does tripping a lot more with our young or with our older son, uh, but I don't know that there's a situation where he would defer to the younger or to the older son.

Speaker 2:

I would not defer to him if, like he, observes things in a different way. Our eldest has ADHD, so his worldview is different.

Speaker 3:

Join the club. Hey, that's a popular thing, man, we all got that right.

Speaker 2:

Neurodivergence so so if he spots something like I, I won't ever shut him down, unless we're in an emergency situation, which, thankfully, we've not ever really run into um you know what? Whoever, whoever's the best person for that moment. How about her like? I don't I don't care, but so long as we get through the trip and we have a good time.

Speaker 3:

You'd be great to trip with then. Yeah, no egos. You know a lot of fun, but, yeah, egos ruin a lot of things, and I think that's kind of a thing that I see a lot on social media is the male ego thing. It's like we're better, we have a reputation to uphold. We're better, we have a reputation to uphold, and I think Maya made me aware of the severity of that in Brazil. Am I right, maya?

Speaker 4:

Yes, here it is much harder than in North America because Brazil it is a sexist country, like for sure, and we have many social problems because of that. So here I feel like women need to fight three times harder to achieve whatever we want to, and on the other hand, the men, they just get it because feels like it is then rights anyways, right. So feels like women has, uh, have no rights in general and um, so I'm used to to fight in a good, in a good way, and I, of course, I faced that in the outdoor sports and extreme sports, because people need to prove themselves. But for my good luck, I found really nice people and in general, women go rock climbing better than men. Because of that, a way of thinking and being calm, and try to do with, with, uh, the mind, not with the, the arms. You know this, the strong, we are being very respected in rock climbing, but I feel like it's like a very big fight here. It's not that easy, you know.

Speaker 3:

But you're making progress and I think that's cool man. So, kudos to you guys, yeah, yeah, I don't like to fight.

Speaker 4:

Because I've seen your arms.

Speaker 2:

You're stronger than me, because I've seen your arms. You're stronger than me I love it.

Speaker 4:

I love it yes, I need to be stronger right here.

Speaker 2:

Well, exactly, right uh, aside from which I have zero interest, I'm happy to watch people do it. I'm not, no, um, although I do have a hammer drill, so I could put some pitons in it for you. There you go there you go, it can be used, for sure, yeah.

Speaker 3:

That's the scariest part, where the first person that goes up with the hammer drill is the, isn't it, Maya?

Speaker 4:

That's the that's the time of year. That's crazy right.

Speaker 2:

Like oh yeah.

Speaker 4:

It is. It is the hardest thing right.

Speaker 3:

This one's up here doing this with the hammer, drill and going. And waving at the camera exactly right, like no, no, does my hair look good? Yeah, I'm good, I made that up. I made that up.

Speaker 2:

Yes, yes, now I've seen the picture Right. So tell us about the show, tell us about Cool Guests. How about you know cool guests? How do you, how do you wrangle guests from all over the world to come on?

Speaker 3:

oh my gosh, he's the best we threaten their families and then you know it's all about your house telling you know, no, it's. You know. Our good friend, dennis Canoehound Rogers, asked the same question and basically I mean, there's no magic to it. I'm going to move my phone here a little bit. There's no real big strategy to it. What I did was and do, because we're going to do some more episodes. There's a lot of stuff on Facebook and there's a lot of stuff on Instagram. There's a lot of stuff on what's the other one, not X, but everybody's on TikTok.

Speaker 2:

Oh, bruce Guy now, or TikTok and stuff, yeah.

Speaker 3:

And so I just said you know what? There's enough people doing cool stuff. Let me just look through Instagram and when you see what they're doing, you go, hey, man, that's cool, that's unusual, or maybe it's just over the top, it's really that good. And I say, hey, listen, man, would you like to do a podcast? I don't say a podcast, I just say a show, because we're really a live stream show. And I said would you like to do, you know, a show, an outdoor show? It's called Outdoors People and I may have gotten a no, I guess maybe at some point I don't remember when it was I'm sure I got one, maybe two, I don't know, but most everybody's like, yeah, I mean, tell me a little bit about the show and I kind of give a little brief thing and most people are up for it and you know they're everybody from.

Speaker 3:

I mean, the interesting thing is I didn't approach that like it was outdoor sports and I didn't call it outdoor sports. I called it outdoors people because it's really about people sports. I called it Outdoors People because it's really about people and then we get to their core or what they're all about through their outdoors activity. So you're a climber, that's like Maya. She was a climber, but we got to know Maya Marzocchi through her climbing. We didn't get to know her climbing through Maya Marzocchi. You know what I'm saying. We did it the other way around. So it was really about the person and not the sport, and that's kind of what I wanted, because life is about people, you know, above and beyond anything else, it's about humans, working with humans and co-working with humans. So it was really a show about humans and it still is humans and it still is. But, um, we've got to know some. We've gotten to know some really amazing people.

Speaker 3:

Um, in the show started out to be the camping show which, after a couple years of that I said I think we we've, I think we've exhausted every right we possibly could without being redundant and repeating so, but outdoors, people is three, maybe four years, something like that, going on. You know, four years for that show, um, and I don't think you ever run out of material, because it's about people. It's not about you know what I mean. It's not about a sport or or a hobby or whatever you want to call it, but we've met some great people, some really interesting people, fantastic people, and and through that we've grown to develop an appreciation for a lot of new sports, some of which I've never heard of until doing this show. So that's just for me. So, maya, how about you?

Speaker 4:

yeah, uh, yes, I don't know you. You said it all because, um, the outdoors activities, these sports in general, they are just a tool for us as people to express always ourselves and uh, and be alive, and be alive and feel alive, right, so people have different experiences. Show that people start doing their own sports because of some specific reason, because of their. Then, oh, like you know, when something happened in your life and then you want to change or improve, and then you know some kind of sport and then you change your life and then you can change people's life as well for a good thing. So great point.

Speaker 4:

Yeah, so I do not rock climb just because I like your climb, like Euroclimb, but because how I started, how it made me feel and how I went to embrace people to do the same, and it happened with me and I could see that in the show so many times, like the refugee girl who started to boxing and painting, oh, yeah, right, like the story, she, she was able to change her own, her, like whole life because of this sport, and I love hearing that. I love hearing people's stories and how people became who they are through all the problems and because of these parts, they make it better or they feel better or they make people feel better. You know like we can see changes in real life in the show and, of course, know more about sports, right?

Speaker 3:

I think you, you probably, and I don't know if you, if you said this, I apologize I may have missed it, but, um, I, you yourself, maya had a fear of heights. Yeah, if I'm correct, and, and you, because of the climbing, you know, you've learned how to address that and overcome that.

Speaker 4:

Yeah, totally. I feel much more brave and secure in my life because of rock climbing, because I learned how to handle myself and handle my problems. Because I was afraid of heights, I didn't like to look up in the balcony in my build.

Speaker 3:

I love that. That's cool man. I'm like yeah.

Speaker 4:

Now I just feel alive if I am really, really high. So I think it changes pretty well. But you know, I am someone who wants to face the fear, so I always do that. So, for example, I am someone who wants to face the fear, so I always do that. So, for example, I was afraid of a snake, so I went to a zoo and then I touched a snake, so, okay, I'm not afraid anymore.

Speaker 4:

You, know, and then, I did the same thing with rock climbing and then the first time I rock climbed it, I was like, oh my gosh, Like it is the best thing I have ever done in my life, and now I know why I'm alive.

Speaker 3:

That's the reason you know like did you ever freeze up there when you're like your first time? Did you like freak out or anything, or no?

Speaker 4:

no, no, no, I was like I was freaking out of uh excitement you know it was like was like whoa, like that's beautiful, like, oh my gosh, like I have no words. I was like freaking out because I was happy, because I could do that and because I was able to face my fears and because I was able to see what regular people do not see and what I never thought that I could see as well. So every time it's like wow, like it is so good to be alive I love it, you know what's

Speaker 2:

funny I'm glad you share that with those of us that can't do that tim and pamela.

Speaker 3:

You guys, you're, you're, you're great. I love it. You're great listeners and you're so quiet. So, because we're not giving you a chance to talk, but I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I need to. As an interviewer, I have to ask you what do you do you? Either of you two have fears that you've learned to overcome because of outdoor adventuring. I put them on the spot. Look at that. I love it.

Speaker 1:

I've never really had fears just about anything like not heights, not close spaces, like none of the usual things. I don't, yeah, no.

Speaker 3:

Maya, you're looking at two people here that had a very normal childhood. They didn't have any traumas like you and I have.

Speaker 2:

I love. It have always been a thing for me. I brief interlude here. I had a boss, we had a. I used to work in film. We had to do something in a studio. I had to go up a 55 foot wooden extension ladder. So I got up to the top and he was a bit of a dick and he started shaking the ladder from the bottom. I froze. I was stuck 55 feet in the air and I couldn't move is that man still alive?

Speaker 3:

my fear of heights is that man still alive? Tim, did you let him live? Is the man still alive after that?

Speaker 2:

Considering I used to deal with explosives, he should be very thankful that he's still alive. I was very unhappy with him, I love it Something completely off topic. Wow, that just popped into my brain.

Speaker 1:

If.

Speaker 2:

I'm not mistaken, you and I had a brief exchange at one point a ways back. You used to make musical instruments. You, you made. If I'm not mistaken, you made a drum for neil pierce I did I did.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, yep so the rumor made it to you. That's interesting, that's good stuff. But no, I did actually make him a drum, um, you know what's really funny about that? It was my first. It was the first. Let's see, wait a minute. Okay, it was my second drum. I think maybe I made some other ones.

Speaker 3:

I I don't remember, I shouldn't even go there, but but I would just say he was my first celebrity and and I was very new at drum building at that point and the, the, the man that um put on a clinic that I went to east hampton, massachusetts, once one kind of street school of fine woodworking and there was a drum builders uh clinic there which I attended. And the the the man who put on, the guy uh who put on the clinic uh, was at the nam show um, later that, later that uh, maybe a couple months after, actually several few months, I think the clinic was in november and he went there in january, february, whenever the nam show was in anaheim, california, and he came and he called me up and he said there's Larry Allen who was the drum tech for Neil Peart, the late great Neil Peart was looking for someone to build Neil a drum to replace the stave design, cocoboloolo drum, snare drum that is, that had been stolen. Now they said it checked into the warehouse but it didn't check out. No, nobody seemed to know what that. So it was an inside job. Okay, inside job.

Speaker 3:

But anyway, he, he overheard this conversation and he's like man, I got more business and I know what to do with because he was in the group of people that made drums for, like, I'm just trying to count so many people I'm thinking of the Eagles, don Henley, the Eagles, all kinds of, and not Cravato, who's the other one? I'm trying to think, geez, I can't remember these people's names now, but really big names in the industry and he didn't need an extra. You know order like that. He was like, you know, whatever he goes, hey, if you're interested, I'll set you up because I know Larry Allen, blah, blah, blah. So through Glenn Paquette, by the way, was his name. Glenn set me up with Larry Allen and I worked with him for about three months.

Speaker 3:

We put together exactly the drum, or the drum exactly the way Neil had his configured Same heads, same shell, same, I think, maybe even the same type of finish on the wood, same wood, exactly which was Cocobola, and same dimensions, everything Same snare configuration on the bottom. I don't remember what it was at this point, but, um, he picked my drum. We waited, I mean we waited for like six weeks or something and finally I got word that he picked my drum out of 36 major drum manufacturers and major and, uh, custom drum makers. And I said, and there was another one, I think that was Gene D'Amico's drum and he made Neil a stave drum just exactly like he had before, and that's the reason he bought it, I was told, because it was exactly like the drum he had made before.

Speaker 3:

And I think that was Gene was the one that made him his original drum. But he liked my drum, the way it sounded and the way it played better and I was very flattered by that and because neil pert had been, you know, an idol of mine for a very long time. So anyway, um, that's yeah, that's how that came to me. Thank you for asking. It's kind of fun to share that story very cool.

Speaker 2:

Nothing to do with camping. I don't care my show I get to hear about stuff.

Speaker 3:

My favorite one was like Jason Bonham and meeting him John Bonham's son because I mean he was drunker than hell when I talked to him but we did an exchange at Dirty Nellie's in Palatine the next night and he got a Brazilian rosewood from me I believe it was. And oh, and the other one I forgot was the David Letterman show. Getting invited to let and I went there. They were. I met Anton and David Letterman. I met Natalie Cole it was kind of cool and hung out with Paul Schaefer and Will Lee and all those guys the whole day. That was probably the most memorable thing for me. That was a blast.

Speaker 4:

That is so funny because you before being in the outdoors stuff you were really like rockstar that's. That's so funny, that's so bizarre.

Speaker 3:

I love that like, feels like feels like you live it, like three lives in one yeah, yeah right and yeah that, and well, won't go there, but I don't have a Lamborghini in my driveway or anything like that, so I definitely have one.

Speaker 2:

I might have a matchbox version of one.

Speaker 3:

Yeah right, I don't even have that. I don't even have that.

Speaker 2:

So give us a little bit of an idea of what your sort of mission is, what the philosophy behind the show is I.

Speaker 3:

I think one of the biggest things that I had in my mind when we switched from the camping show uh to outdoors people was more so to to uh aside from the subject of equipment and camping methods and things like that um was really, and then this was part of the camping show as well is to kind of bring not just the community together but people who wanted to learn camping and outdoors sports and activities and thereby bring people from around the world closer together through outdoor adventuring.

Speaker 3:

I don't know if that makes any sense, and I think we accomplished that. I mean, I don't think we did that single-handedly, because Dennis Rogers and yourselves are doing quite the same thing. Kevin Callen was really probably as much to a credit, and even Cliff Jacobson as anybody else, because that's really they encourage. You know what they do. They encourage what they teach. You know the campaign canoeing and outdoor, and I really do think there's evidence of that when we go to shows like Canoe, copia and even the ones in Canada that you guys have I'm trying to think of the name of it.

Speaker 2:

Toronto Outdoor Adventure. You know, we've got a new one now, that's Hamilton Adventure Expo.

Speaker 3:

Hamilton. There you go. That's the one, yep, because my cousin lives in Hamilton and she was telling me about it. But yeah, and Maya started an outdoors company I think this is worth mentioning in Brazil, again, bringing people in the world together and maybe, if you don't tell a little bit about that company, maya, what you do, Because I think it's a very cool thing.

Speaker 4:

Yes, so I live abroad and when I went back, I realized how beautiful Brazil is and every time that I travel here, I feel like I want to travel more here, because of our reasons, you can imagine because of the landscape, the weather, the people, the food, because of everything. And when I started the show with CW, I saw that people don't know Brazil as they should and people are not enjoying the outdoors part here.

Speaker 4:

So, uh, my main uh point it is show brazil, draw my eyes and show the and um, yes to uh, to help people who wants to come to brazil and don't know how to start and don't know what to do or where to start to look. So I provide the sports you can do, the hotels you can stay or the equipment you can rent. So, yes, I make the trip happen for outside people who want to come to Brazil and know better how amazing we are, brazil, and know better how amazing we are Brazilian Outdoor Adventure, and that's the name.

Speaker 3:

yeah, boa. And she didn't tell you I don't think she mentioned this, guys, but Maya, tell them where you spent a year abroad, as you say.

Speaker 4:

A year abroad. Oh, in Canada, yes.

Speaker 1:

I stayed a year Vancouver, yeah.

Speaker 2:

Beautiful. Especially if you're a hiker, that's a pretty awesome place to be.

Speaker 4:

That's the main reason I went to go to Canada, because I was like, okay, I need to go somewhere where people hike and work.

Speaker 3:

Because I need to work so yeah, so it is not, but I need to pay my bills, right?

Speaker 4:

oh, there's that.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, all that ultralight stuff is not cheap you know they say food is expensive.

Speaker 3:

It's a minor expense compared to all the outdoor equipment.

Speaker 2:

To how expensive that can be, oh, yeah, for sure, and uh, anyone doesn't know how much I spend on camping we have, I think, we're in the wrong business.

Speaker 3:

We need to go into the camping, the hiking, all that you know.

Speaker 4:

Year man, we'd be millionaires yes, I agree yeah, that's cool and food here in brazil is cheap, so it is not a big deal so let's spend all the equipment.

Speaker 2:

If you're buying the dehydrated stuff, it's actually pretty. I mean it's great, but it's it's.

Speaker 3:

It's pricey, man yeah, super, it's super pricey.

Speaker 1:

That's it for us for today. Thank you so much to our guests, cw guests and maya marzocchi for us for today. Thank you so much to our guests, cw Guests and Maya Marzocchi for joining us today. Please do check them out on the Outdoors People show and they are on the podcast or the TV show, the radio show and the live stream and check us out while you're there. We are on all the social media and we're on YouTube. Please subscribe there and you can email us anytime. We are at hi at supergoodcampingcom. That's hi at supergoodcampingcom and we'll talk to you again soon. Bye.

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